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From: John Carpenter <>
Subject: Re: VT John CARPENTER and NY James CARPENTER (was Re: steamboat pilot)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:01:11 -0700
References: <200006122321.TAA19154@main.ismi.net>


Good Hunting!

I'll keep an eye out, so to speak.

John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA

The Carpenters wrote:
>
> John, Bruce, and other listmates--
>
> I am planning one last stand in Madison Co., probably later this summer.
> Failure there will lead me to a different level, which would be to look for
> John b. 1797 in VT among early-1800s arrivals from England, but first and
> foremost among French-Canadian-Americans, of whom many must be from VT and
> called Jean Charpentier or some such.
>
> John and his bride, Mary O'Connor (b. ca 1803 in Dublin, Ireland,
> immigrated with her parents ca 1809) had ten children of whom we know. The
> oldest is James, my GGgrandfather, of whom we know plenty, but not enough.
> (Is there ever enough?) Family tradition holds the possibility that there
> was an older child, or that one of the girls may have been older. I'm
> still digging for birth dates, but I have recently uncovered the married
> names of several of the girls, which is giving me new hopes, as I now have
> a decent chance of finding a marriage announcement or obituary that tells
> me something about John.
>
> These are the children of
> John CARPENTER and Mary O'CONNOR:
>
> James (b. abt 1823) m. Eliza(beth) Jane SWEET
> Clarinda (probably m. Edward Warren DURKEE
> Robert
> Susannah m. George B. FOSTER
> Lucinda (b. abt. 1829) m. James Hunt BREED
> Harmon S. (b. abt. 1832)
> Giles (b. abt. 1834) (m. someone in the midwest)
> Samuel D. (b. abt. Sept., 1835) m. Ellen FERRIS; m. 2 Eva C. BROWN
> Adelia A. (b. abt. 1837) m. Alfred Gardner
> Elizabeth (b. abt. Nov. 8, 1840)
>
> Other names tied to this family at the time of proving of Mary's will
> (mid-1880s):
> Alvin FOSTER, George FOSTER, Adaline BROWN, Helen GREGG, Andalusia BROWN,
> Mary ENGLEBRIGHT, Riley H. BREED, Robie or Roby THURBER, Mary FULLER,
> Charles W. SWEET.
>
> Most of these people lived in Munnsville, Stockbridge, Sheds (Shed's
> Corners then), and DeRuyter, Madison County, NY. Some lived at that time
> in Pratts Hollow, Oneida Castle, Port Byron, and Cambridge, NY. Charles
> W. Sweet was given as Lawrence, MI, Riley H. Breed as Dayton, OH, and Mary
> Englebright as Oshkosh, WI.
>
> I have found much of this information recently. A lot of it still needs
> fuller documentation. If anyone recognizes names, etc., please let me
> know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> George
> ---
> George R. Carpenter
> Pinckney, Michigan
>
>
> ----------
> > From: John Carpenter <>
> > To: The Carpenters <>; ;
> > Subject: Re: steamboat pilot
> > Date: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:01 PM
> >
> > Dear George & Debbie,
> >
> > Have you ever entertained the thought that John Carpenter of VT ws from
> > England? That his son Giles was born there or in NY shortly after
> > arriving in America?
> >
> > Or less likely born in Canada?
> >
> > The combination of names of Thomas, Giles and John is interesting in the
> > English lines.
> >
> > John R. Carpenter
> > La Mesa, CA
> >
> > http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > Giles CARPENTER Sex:M
> > Event(s):
> > Christening: 6 Mar 1836
> > Taynton, Gloucester, England
> > Parents:
> > Father: Thomas CARPENTER
> > Mother: Esther
> >
> > Source Information: Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type
> > Printout Call No. Type C032351 1729-1858 0091541
> > Film 6911811
> >
> > ********
> >
> > John CARPENTER Sex: M
> > Event(s):
> > Christening: 8 Jul 1787
> > St. Mary De Lode, Gloucester, Gloucester, England
> > Parents:
> > Father: Thomas CARPENTER
> > Mother: Eleanor JONES
> > Source Information:
> > Film Number: 538097
> >
> > ********
> >
> > John <CARPENTER> Sex:U
> > Event(s):
> > Birth: 4 Aug 1796
> > Of, Queens, New Brunswick
> > Death: 1796 (Infant death?)
> > Parents:
> > Father: Thomas CARPENTER
> > Mother: Catherine SHAW CARPENTER
> >
> > Source Information:
> > Film Number: 170501
> > Page Number: 511
> > Reference Number: 19268
> >
> >
> > ********
> >
> > You searched for:
> > Giles Carpenter
> > Father: John <-------
> > Exact Spelling: Off
> > [refine search]
> > Results: All Sources (9 matches)
> >
> > 1. Giles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: M Christening: 21 Jun 1789 Brushford, Somerset, England
> > 2. Gilles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: M Christening: 29 Jul 1674 Exminster, Devon, England
> > 3. Gilles_ CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: F Christening: 1 Jun 1690 Exminster, Devon, England
> > 4. Giles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: M Christening: 20 Nov 1724 Oakford, Devon, England
> > 5. Gilles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: < Christening: 29 Jul 1674 Of, Exminster, Devon, England
> > 6. Gilles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: < Christening: 1 Jun 1690 Of, Exminster, Devon, England
> > 7. Gilles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: M Christening: 29 Jul 1674 Exminster, Devon, England
> > 8. Gilles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: M Christening: 1 Jun 1690 Exminster, Devon, England
> > 9. Giles CARPENTER - International Genealogical Index/BI
> > Gender: M Birth: 21 Jun 1789 Brushford, Somerset, England
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Carpenters wrote:
> > >
> > > Debbie,
> > >
> > > Giles CARPENTER was born about 1834, probably in Madison Co., NY, to
> John
> > > CARPENTER, b. 1797 in VT and his wife, Mary O'CONNOR. When in his
> early
> > > 20s, Giles went to Oshkosh, WI, where, aided by his younger brother,
> Samuel
> > > D. CARPENTER, he learned the river trade on the Fox and Wolf Rivers.
> Once
> > > he had experience, Giles plied the Wolf and Mississippi Rivers. Samuel
> > > went back to NY, where he enlisted in the NY 157th Volunteers, and
> entered
> > > the Civil War, where he was wounded in two different battles. Giles
> was in
> > > the Navy, and was killed in fighting in Arkansas. I don't know his
> wife,
> > > or if they had any children. I do have a name: Mary Carpenter
> > > Englebright, of Oshkosh, WI. Actually, her name is given as Mary
> Carpenter
> > > in one document, and Mary Englebright in another, so I'm not sure which
> > > CARPENTER she is. She could be the wife of Giles, or his niece, Mary
> J.
> > > CARPENTER, who marrie a LaRue, and was known as Babe LaRue.
> > >
> > > There are John CARPENTERs in my family, and perhaps a Thomas or two,
> but
> > > your guy isn't familiar to me. Giles was killed in action in 1862.
> > > Perhaps he had a son named John Thomas. Do you have dates for him?
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From:
> > > > To:
> > > > Cc:
> > > > Subject: steamboat pilot
> > > > Date: Friday, June 09, 2000 11:54 PM
> > > >
> > > > George,
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in your CARPENTER that was a steamboat pilot on the
> > > > Mississippi. Where is Pepin? Do you have any info on this man's
> family?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious because I get the feeling that the line of CARPENTER's
> that I
> > >
> > > > have been trying to trace were river rats. There is a story that my
> > > > g-grandfather (John Thomas Carpenter) "was given up for dead"
> (1890-1900
> > > > sometime)after a barge or steamboat accident on the Mississippi River
> or
> > > > the Arkansas River. Apparently he was a crewmember. It seems too that
> the
> > >
> > > > family settled near the Missippi River until the 1870s, then to the
> > > > Arkansas River.
> > > >
> > > > Debbie Carpenter Mccue

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