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From: John Carpenter <>
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Gouy
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:50:31 -0700
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Dear Bruce,

The following data may be clues of where the Gouy Family went after
the tenth century.

Also Walter De Gouy had FLANDERS and VERMANDOIS on the maternial line.
See pedigree below.

Sincerely,

John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA


!Walter DE GOUY Sex: M Birth: 0967 Valois, France
Father: Walter DE GOUY
Mother: Mrs. Adele DE GOUY
Film Number: 2034342

!Was the following family group a descendant of this Walter de Gouy?
Catharina UTEN GOYE (AFN: 82JB-8S)
Sex: F Birth: Abt 1300 Of Houten, Utrecht, Neth.
Death: Bef. 01 1351 May
Father: Gijsbrecht UTEN GOYEN (AFN: F8SB-T5)
Mother: Margaretha Van BOSINCHEM (AFN: 80JT-ZC)
Spouse: Hendrik, Heer Van VIANEN (AFN: 82JB-7M)

!Gijsbrecht UTEN GOYEN (AFN: F8SB-T5)
Birth: Abt. 1275 <Of Culemborg, Geld., Neth.>
Spouse: Margaretha Van BOSINCHEM (AFN: 80JT-ZC)

!Maria VAN UTEN GOYE (Film # 1395539)
Birth: 1268 Utrecht, Utrecht, Netherlands
Father: Gijsbert VAN UTEN GOYE
Mother: Margaretha VAN TEIJLINGEN

!Maria Van UTEN GOYE (AFN: FHCD-Q2)
Sex: F Birth: Abt 1268 Of, Utrecht, Utrecht, Netherlands
Death: Bef 1312
Father: Gijsbert Van UTEN GOYE (AFN: 1FK7-2KH)
Mother: Margaretha Van TEIJLINGEN (AFN: 1FK7-2MW)
Spouse: Dirk Van Den WALE (AFN: 8GFP-SL)

!Gijsbert Van UTEN GOYE (AFN: 1FK7-2KH)
Birth: Abt 1238 Of, Utrecht, Utrecht, Netherlands
Spouse: Margaretha Van TEIJLINGEN (AFN: 1FK7-2MW)

The Pedigree for Walter De Gouy the father would be ...

Walter DE GOUY-57321
B: 936 Valois,,France
M: 963 --19488 Valois,,France
D:
2nd 3rd 4th 5th
+Hucbald---------
+Hucbald OR GOUY-¦
¦ +----------------
+Raoul OR R GOUY-¦
¦ ¦ +----------------
¦ +Helwise OR H----¦
¦ +----------------
Walter DE GOUY
Adele ¦ +B II FLANDERS Co-2
¦ +Arnoul FLANDERS-¦
¦ ¦ +----------------
+H DE of FLANDERS¦
¦ +----------------
+Adele VERMANDOIS¦

2- Baudouin II FLANDERS Count ofFlanders-57346
B: Abt 865 of,,Flanders,France
M: --19501
D:
5th 6th 7th
+B I DE FLANDERS-
¦
+Baldwin FLANDERS¦
¦ ¦
¦ +----------------
¦
B II FLANDERS Co


"Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote:
>
> Noticed in the IGI data that Raoul de Gouy
> had a son Walter and he turn a Walter that d.
> in 1020. This ends where the Jean le Carpentier data
> begins in the 1030s.
> Te IGI also says that the two Walters
> were titled 'de Gouy'. This I cannot confirm. But if true the above Gouy
> line maintained rights to the castle and property until 1020
> from father to son. This suggests the Herefordshire Carpenters
> were descendants of Hucbald.
> BC

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