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From: "" <>
Subject: Re: [CASANDIE] San Diego / LA - Help wanted
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:08:06 -0800


Sue;
I checked in San Diego County for the pre-1940 deaths and did not find
another Alfred W. Roberts, but here is the one that died in 1994.

San Diego 335-463
Alfred William Roberts
16916 Hierba Dr., #176, San Diego, CA
Died:11/16/1994, 5:35 am, Remington Health Center, San Diego
male, white, SS#562-09-2620, married, education - teacher for State of
California, age 94
Spouse:Lenore May Poschman
Birth:12/17/1899, Austria
FA:James Roberts, Wales
MO:Anna, Germany
Cause:Cardiopulmonary arrest, aspiration pneumonia, dementia
DR:Albert Huerta
Mortuary:Telophase Society
Cremation:11/22/1994, ashes scattered at sea 3 miles off coast of San Diego
Informant:Spouse
Education:16 years
In County:5 years

Hope this can tell you something.
Donna




At 07:13 PM 1/8/01 -0000, Sue wrote:
>Thanks ..
>
>The irony here is, that Rhoda had a sister who emigrated to Australia around
>the same time as she emigrated to America ... I'm now wondering if Rhoda
>went to see her sister in Australial, met Alfred & married him in Australia
>& then went to America ...
>
>Someone found Alfred living in El Cajon, San Diego, in 1926 - he was a Sheep
>Shearer ... Are there a lot of sheep in California ... ? ... :-))
>
>Sue
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "" <>
>To: "Sue" <>
>Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [CASANDIE] San Diego / LA - Help wanted
>
>
>> Sue;
>> Will see what I can find and if it leads to Austrailia, that could be fun
>> for you. Will get back to you next week.
>> Donna
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 06:25 PM 1/8/01 -0000, Sue wrote:
>> >You are one nice lady Donna .. Thank you very much for offering to help
>...
>> >I would be lost without someone being as generous as you ...
>> >
>> >The family I have so far : .......
>> >
>> >Alfred W. ROBERTS (b. ? Australia - d. ?) married my Great Aunt, Rhoda
>Ellen
>> >DUNN (15 Jan 1890 Nottingham, UK - 8 Jan 1963 Los Angeles, CA) ...
>> >
>> >They had ...
>> >
>> >Jean Alfred ROBERTS (9 Aug 1920 San Diego, CA - 13 Nov 1976 San Diego,
>CA) &
>> >Mary ROBERTS (5 Sep 1923 San Diego, CA - ?)
>> >
>> >The informant on Rhoda's death certificate was a Eugene PECK - new name
>...
>> >I then queried if this was person was in fact Mary ROBERTS's husband ...
>> >
>> >In the CA Birth Index I entered a PECK father & a ROBERTS mother & came
>up
>> >with only the one possible birth, Catherine Elizabeth PECK (b.10 Mar 1953
>> >LA, CA)
>> >
>> >>From the DC of Jean Alfred ROBERTS, that you so kindly sent me, I found
>the
>> >informant, Eugene F. ROBERTS & wondered if this person was Jean's son ...
>> >
>> >I did a check on the CA Birth Index & found that Jean Alfred ROBERTS had
>> >probably married someone by the name of PAULSEN & they had two children :
>> >.......
>> >
>> >Eugene Frederick ROBERTS (15 May 1942 San Diego, CA - ?) &
>> >Jack Richard ROBERTS (13 June 1945 San Diego, CA - ?) ...
>> >
>> >I'm still at a loss as to who Rhoda's hubby really was ... Yes, his name
>was
>> >Alfred W. (? William) ROBERTS & according to Jean's DC he was born in
>> >Australia ... But the only person with this name on the online CA Death
>> >Index, is someone who died in 1994 .. But at her death, in 1963, Rhoda is
>> >quoted as being a widow ... May because Rhoda was a physiotherapist /
>> >registered nurse, it is possible that she could have gained some
>> >respectability by being classed as a Widow rather than a Divorcee - who
>> >knows - especially at that time - now it wouldn't be quite so important
>...
>> >
>> >The online CA Death index doesn't start until 1940 & I did wonder if
>Rhoda's
>> >hubby could have died before this date ... Either that. or Alfred had
>> >dropped the *W* bit of his name ...
>> >
>> >It is a puzzle, isn't it ? ..
>> >
>> >I would appreciate any help you could offer to disentangle this puzzle
>...
>> >
>> >Sue
>> >
>> >> Sue;
>> >> I can get that DC for you and also see if there are any Alfred W.
>Roberts
>> >> in San Diego pre-1940.
>> >> Donna
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 02:02 AM 1/6/01 -0000, Sue wrote:
>> >> >Donna was brilliant & got for me the DC (see I'm learning fast), for
>Jean
>> >> >Alfred ROBERTS ...
>> >> >
>> >> >>From this I found his father - Alfred W. ROBERTS ...
>> >> >
>> >> >Now this is where I have a problem ... When I found Jean's mother's
>death
>> >> >certificate, that of Rhoda Ellen ROBERTS (nee DUNN), it stated that
>Rhoda
>> >> >was a Widow - this was in 1963 - and yet, when I search through the
>> >Online
>> >> >California Death Index I only find the one Alfred William ROBERTS:-
>> >> >
>> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED WILLIAM b. 12/17/1899 born. M REST (OTHER)
>died.
>> >> >SAN DIEGO(37) d. 11/16/1994 SSN 562-09-2620 aged 94 yrs
>> >> >
>> >> >Now *if* this is Rhoda's hubby, then whoever was the informant for her
>> >Death
>> >> >Certificate wasn't quite telling the truth - maybe they were divorced
>&
>> >he
>> >> >was being kind by putting her down as a widow - maybe he didn't know
>she
>> >was
>> >> >still married, maybe Rhoda hadn't told him ... An awful lot of maybes,
>eh
>> >?
>> >> >.. But at least the Born in the Rest (Other) was correct ..
>> >> >
>> >> >There were only 4 ROBERTS with the Alfred name, who were born in
>> >Rest/Other,
>> >> >who could could have been Rhoda's husband & only one of those died
>before
>> >> >1963 ...
>> >> >
>> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED 04/17/1874 LAVIS ROBERTS M REST (OTHER) SAN
>> >JOAQUIN
>> >> >01/10/1943 68 yrs Add
>> >> >
>> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED 08/24/1886 M REST (OTHER) LOS ANGELES(19)
>> >> >01/19/1977 097-07-6845 90 yrs Add
>> >> >
>> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED EDWARD 06/30/1913 WILLIAMSON M REST (OTHER)
>> >SOLANO
>> >> >05/11/1987 569-40-8105 73 yrs Add
>> >> >
>> >> >ROBERTS ALFRED WILLIAM 12/17/1899 M REST (OTHER) SAN
>DIEGO(37)
>> >> >11/16/1994 562-09-2620 94 yrs Add
>> >> >
>> >> >ROBERTS CHARLES ALFRED 01/02/1895 PAVEY M REST (OTHER) ORANGE
>> >> >08/18/1986 082-32-7561 91 yrs Add
>> >> >
>> >> >Trouble is, which one was the right one .. AND, doesn't this Death
>Index
>> >> >only start in 1940 ??? ... Maybe Rhoda's hubby died before 1940 ? ...
>> >> >Another possibility, right ? ...
>> >> >
>> >> >Another very kind person looked at the CA Directories for me & Alfred
>> >> >appears up to 1941 & is not listed for 1942 & 43 ... Others are *our
>for
>> >> >rebinding* ... Now I wonder, with Alfred not appearing in either 1942
>or
>> >43,
>> >> >whether he died during 1939 or 1940 ? ... If these directories are
>like
>> >the
>> >> >ones over here, your name appears in them up to 2 years after you stop
>> >> >subscribing ...
>> >> >
>> >> >So, will anyone please kindly do a look up for the DC of Alfred W.
>> >ROBERTS -
>> >> >wife of Rhoda E. ROBERTS (nee DUNN) - in the San Diego area - or the
>LA
>> >area
>> >> >...
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks very much ...
>> >> >
>> >> >Sue Kay
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "" <>
>> >> >To: "Sue" <>; <>;
>> >> ><>; <>
>> >> >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:21 AM
>> >> >Subject: Re: San Diego / LA - Help wanted - sorry it's long
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Sue;
>> >> >> Got a DC transcription for Jean for you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> San Diego 153-2582
>> >> >> Jean Alfred Roberts
>> >> >> 1918 Broadway Apt 4-A, San Diego, CA
>> >> >> Died: 11/13/1976, 7:30 pm, El Cajon Valley Hospital
>> >> >> male, caucasian, SS#557-18-4047, divorced, age 56, Engineer -
>Equipment
>> >> >> Operator
>> >> >> Birth: 8/9/1920, California
>> >> >> FA: Alfred W. Roberts, Australia
>> >> >> MO: Rhoda E. Dunn, England
>> >> >> Cause: Ventricular fibrillation, massive gastric aspiration, benign
>> >> >> prostate hypertrophy.
>> >> >> DR: Philip O. Braebel
>> >> >> Mortuary: Featheringill Mortuary
>> >> >> Cremation: 11/17/1976, Cypress View Crematory
>> >> >> Informant: Eugene F. Roberts 23151 Saguaro, Apt D, El Toro,
>California
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hope this helps.
>> >> >> Donna
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 02:52 PM 1/1/01 -0000, Sue wrote:
>> >> >> >Hello All, I'm new to this list ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >My interest in CA stems from my Great Aunt - Rhoda Ellen ROBERTS
>(nee
>> >> >DUNN)
>> >> >> >... She was born on the 15th January, 1890 (birth certificate), in
>my
>> >> >home
>> >> >> >town of Nottingham, England - (15th January 1891 on death
>certificate)
>> >> >...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Rhoda was a registered nurse who, I think, emigrated to America in
>the
>> >> >> >September of 1919 ... I have this postcard written by my Gran to a
>> >> >cousin,
>> >> >> >saying how she couldn't visit with them because she was, "going to
>see
>> >> >> >Nellie off" ... The *off* being wave her goodbye & Nellie being
>> >Rhoda's
>> >> >> >nickname ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I finally found my Rhoda on the online California Death Index -
>many
>> >> >thanks
>> >> >> >to the people who made that available .. She died on the 8th
>January,
>> >> >1963,
>> >> >> >in Los Angeles ... She was a widow ... I have no idea who the
>> >informant
>> >> >was,
>> >> >> >& I would suggest that he didn't know her all that well, because
>her
>> >> >> >mother's name is missing & her father's name is the wrong one - it
>> >gives
>> >> >> >William DUNN & in fact her father's name was Elias DUNN ... Her
>> >> >grandfather
>> >> >> >& brother were called William ... There are too many things right
>> >about
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >information given for me not to doubt that I have the right death
>> >> >> >certificate ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I was told that Rhoda married an American & had two children - a
>boy
>> >> >called
>> >> >> >Gene & a girl 'they' thought was called Molly ... So, I then set
>about
>> >> >> >searching the Online Birth Index & found a possible two children
>for
>> >> >Rhoda
>> >> >> >....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >ROBERTS JEAN A 08/09/1920 MALE DUNN SAN DIEGO
>> >> >> >ROBERTS MARY A 09/05/1923 FEMALE DUNN SAN DIEGO
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I then searched the Cemetery Index again & found a possible death
>for
>> >> >Jean
>> >> >> >...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jean A Roberts Burial: Fort Rosecrans National
>> >> >Cemetery
>> >> >> >*
>> >> >> >Birth: Aug. 9, 1920 San Diego County
>> >> >> >Death: Nov. 13, 1976 California, USA - Plot: E,70
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Of course, I have no ideas at all about Mary .. ??? ... Did she
>marry
>> >..
>> >> >???
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I still don't know the name of Rhoda's hubby either ... Is there a
>> >> >Marriage
>> >> >> >Index that could be searched .. ??? ..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Rhoda was a Registered nurse - I understand she did her training
>her
>> >in
>> >> >> >England - but - would she have had to have registered with a
>Nursing
>> >> >> >Association in America ? .. If so, with whom ? ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Are hospital records available ? ... Her Death certificate says she
>> >died
>> >> >at
>> >> >> >the Good Samaritan Hospital, Los Angeles, & that her last
>employment
>> >had
>> >> >> >been at the Ventura General Hospital ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Finally (almost) - do I hear a sigh of relief ? ... :-) ... The
>> >funeral
>> >> >> >director was Callanan Mortuary & she was buried in the Holy Cross
>> >> >Cemetery
>> >> >> >... Now I've searched for this cemetery, but I'm confused, there
>> >appears
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >be more than one in Los Angeles by than name ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Lastly, I have found on the LA Times Index, an Obituary for Rhoda,
>but
>> >I
>> >> >> >have no idea where to go from here about that ... The entry says
>...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >ROBERTS, Rhoda; ; ; Los Angeles T (CA); 1997-3-16; kweigel
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Could this really be her, do you think ? ... Is the date the entry
>in
>> >the
>> >> >> >index ? ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Umm ... A lot of food for thought ... Thanks for letting me air it
>...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Sue
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