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From: "Camilla Barlow" <>
Subject: Re: [CI] Blampied surname
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:39:22 +1000
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Thanks Elaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Hanning" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CI] Blampied surname


> Hello, Camilla....Blampied is certainly a welknown and respected Jersey
> name. I am not sure how common it is in Guernsey. It is also the name of
one
> of our best loved local artists who captured much of old Jersey life with
> his drawings and sketches....Elaine
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Camilla Barlow" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:44 AM
> Subject: [CI] Blampied surname
>
>
> > Hi john
> > Enjoyed your poem. I noticed in your posting you mentioned "Blampied". I
> > just met someone whose father had that name, he changed his. Is it a
> Jersey
> > or Guernsey name and would it be difficult to research?
> > Regards Camilla in Aust
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Gough" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CI] Re: TARDIF(F)
> >
> >
> > > Thank you Eric for that clarification. Based on which, MARTIN is
> > presumably
> > > pronounced pretty much as in English. I tend to pronounce Guernsey
names
> > as
> > > if they were French, but clearly this is not universally so. Within
the
> > > family, we pronounce TARDIF as if it were English and BLAMPIED as if
it
> > were
> > > French. Does anyone know if there are any simple rules for the
> > pronunciation
> > > of patois compared to French? My own ignorance of the subject is so
> > profound
> > > that I don't even know whether patois was a uniform language
throughout
> > the
> > > Channel Islands, though I imagine that the difference between Jersey
and
> > > Guernsey was rather like that between Lancashire and Yorkshire -
> > > indistinguishable to the outsider but obvious to the local.
> > > I think that pronouncing peoples names correctly is a rather important
> > > courtesy even if you are only doing it in your head while reading. As
> you
> > > can imagine, my name takes a bit of a hammering 'pronunciationwise'. I
> > can't
> > > really claim that the following little poem from New Zealand is CI
> > > genealogy, but it might give someone a chuckle.
> > > When first the new boy came to school,
> > > His name was not announced,
> > > The children knew how it was spelled,
> > > But not how t'was pronounced.
> > >
> > > 'Tis easy to decide quote one
> > > Of course it rhymes with "rough"
> > > I 'm positive in my own mind
> > > That that boy's name is "Gough".
> > >
> > > "You may be right" a second said,
> > > 'Tis possible although
> > > I rather think if he was asked,
> > > He'd say his name was "Gough".
> > >
> > > "Pooh, Pooh" a loud voice called in scorn,
> > > With nonsense let's be through,
> > > That I am right you must allow
> > > We'll call the new boy "Gough".
> > >
> > > "That's as you please", replied a fourth,
> > > While swinging on a bough
> > > And yet I see no reason why,
> > > His name should not be "Gough".
> > >
> > > But when the boy himself appeared,
> > > And said with bashful cough,
> > > Say, fellows can I play with you?
> > > My name is Tommy Gough.
> > >
> > >
> > > With apologies,
> > >
> > > John Gough, Cornwall, UK.
> > > Researching : GOUGH; BROADBENT; FLYNN; JENKINS; HAYES; HALL; TARDIF;
> > > CARNELLY.
> > > Really Useful Sources List at
http://www.mts.net/~bydesign/RUS/Guide.htm
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ERIC LEMAITRE" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [CI] Re: TARDIF(F)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello John,
> > > > I seem to recall "THE" Robin researcher Ray Le
> > > > Messurier-Foster telling me that the name was, and maybe still, is
> > > > pronounced in Guernsey as ROW BIN and not as one might expect the
> French
> > > > pronunciation to sound like Row Ban.
> > > > I was using the English ROB IN at the time.
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Gough [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: 20 July 2004 07:19
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: [CI] Re: TARDIF(F)
> > > >
> > > > Hello Stephen,
> > > > I think it is a great tradition, which should be encouraged. My
wife's
> > > > brother was Robert Tardif Hall. Anything that helps the genealogist
is
> > > > OK by
> > > > me. In fact this is the one advantage I can see in the current
fashion
> > > > for
> > > > 'made up' Christian names. One can soon get tired of trying to
> > > > distinguish
> > > > between dozens of 19thC Johns and Marys!
> > > > Incidentally, it is good to see a genuine Guernsey name on the List
> > > > (though
> > > > I am sure there are many others). When I first came across ROBIN, I
> > > > thought
> > > > perhaps it was a mistranscription for RABEY, as it didn't look very
> > > > 'Guernsey', but then I realised that, if you pronounce it with a
> French
> > > > accent, it sounds much more appropriate.
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > John Gough, Cornwall, UK.
> > > > Researching : GOUGH; BROADBENT; FLYNN; JENKINS; HAYES; HALL; TARDIF;
> > > > CARNELLY.
> > > > Really Useful Sources List at
> http://www.mts.net/~bydesign/RUS/Guide.htm
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "sjrobin" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CI] Re: TARDIF(F)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi List,
> > > > >
> > > > > This happened with my own father who was PETER HUTCHINSON ROBIN,
> with
> > > > HUTCHINSON being his grandmother's maiden name. With two of my
> children
> > > > we
> > > > gave them 'family' middle names, my son has RUTHERFORD from our
> maternal
> > > > great-grandmother, and my daughter ELizabeth has DE QUETTEVILLE from
> our
> > > > paternal great-great grandmother.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen James ROBIN
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Belinda J <> wrote:
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > Thanks for that information. The comment you made about the
addition
> > > > of
> > > > > Marquand was just what seemed to happen in that a child or maybe
> more
> > > > would
> > > > > gain the mothers maiden name as their middle name. You would also
> note
> > > > in
> > > > > that family that Theophilus had ROBIN as his middle name, which
was
> > > > his
> > > > > grandmother's maiden name.
> > > > > Do you have any information on the siblings descendants?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Belinda
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Gough"
> > > > > To: "Belinda J" ;
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:06 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [CI] Re: TARDIF(F)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Belinda,
> > > > > > Elizabeth was one of seven siblings:
> > > > > > Guillaum Alfred TARDIF b.1841; Elizabeth Elise T. b.1843;
Cosilda
> > > > Marquand
> > > > > > T.(f.) b.&d.1844; George Guerin T. b.1846; Theophilus Robin T.
> > > > b.1848;
> > > > > > Rachel Marquand T. b.1850; Casilda Richardson T.(m.) b.1851.
> > > > > > Jan may be interested to note that two other members of this
> family
> > > > used
> > > > > > Marquand as an additional Christian name.
> > > > > > I wonder if the MARQUANDs were a particularly notable family
that
> so
> > > > many
> > > > > > people wished to celebrate the name in this way, or perhaps they
> are
> > > > all
> > > > > > remembering a specially popular ancestor on the female side.
While
> > > > this
> > > > > sort
> > > > > > of thing happens everywhere, it seems to be particularly popular
> in
> > > > > Guernsey
> > > > > > (perhaps in CI generally or France possibly?). I have noticed a
> > > > similar
> > > > > > thing with DOWDNEY, MARTIN, LE RATILLEY etc.
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > John Gough, Cornwall.
> > > > > > Researching : GOUGH; BROADBENT; FLYNN; JENKINS; HAYES; HALL:
> TARDIF:
> > > > > > CARNELLY.
> > > > > > Really Useful Sources List at
> > > > http://www.mts.net/~bydesign/RUS/Guide.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Belinda J"
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:56 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [CI] Re: TARDIF(F)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your second Elizabeth does not fit with Sue's Elizabeth. Do
you
> by
> > > > > chance
> > > > > > > have any information besides Elizabeth's birth date?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > Belinda J
> > > > > > > Tassie, Aus
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "John Gough"
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:51 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [CI] Re: TARDIF(F)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello Sue,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you for the information. I have two Elizabeth TARDIFs
> who
> > > > could
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been married in 1860. I know that you say you have no
further
> > > > > > information
> > > > > > > re
> > > > > > > > this family, but I wonder if you have any view on whether
> either
> > > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > following candidates could have been your Elisabeth.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Elizabeth le Ratilley TARDIF b.1836. Daughter of Jean TARDIF
> and
> > > > > > Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > DAVID
> > > > > > > > Elizabeth Elise TARDIF b.1843. Daughter of George TARDIF and
> > > > Rachel
> > > > > > > MARQUAND
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John Gough, Cornwall.
> > > > > > > > Researching : GOUGH; BROADBENT; FLYNN; JENKINS; HAYES; HALL;
> > > > TARDIF;
> > > > > > > > CARNELLY.
> > > > > > > > Really Useful Sources List at
> > > > > http://www.mts.net/~bydesign/RUS/Guide.htm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Sue & Chris Carr"
> > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:14 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: TARDIF(F)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi John
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I also have a Guernsey TARDIF(F) in my family - Elisabeth
> > > > TARDIFF
> > > > > > > > > married to George Henry Windsor LUSCOMBE on 11/11/1860 in
> > > > Guernsey -
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > help? I have no further info re this family.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sue Carr
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From:
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> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2004 1:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > To:
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