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From: "S.R & K.M.Pattison" <>
Subject: Re: [CI] Brookfield Farm ?, Beaumont ?.
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:34:25 +1000
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G'Day Mark,

The e-mails are running thick and fast tonight, no sooner do I answer one
when another appears, I have noted your amendment.

Thanks, Syd Pattison, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Pepin" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [CI] Brookfield Farm ?, Beaumont ?.


> Syd,
>
> I was too hasty and made a mistake: for weddings after 1841 you have to
> contact the Registrar Office. Unfortunately, I don't think he has an
> e-mail (yet?). You should contact by snail mail.
>
> The Superintendent Registrar, 10 Royal Square, St Helier, Jersey, JE2
> 4WA tel: +44-1534-502335
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2007, at 1:47 PM, S.R & K.M.Pattison wrote:
>
>> G'Day Mark,
>>
>> Arggh, You may well be right, my Dad may well have rolled two
>> generations
>> into one, Frank Senior born circa 1835 may well be the husband of my
>> great
>> grandmother's sister and Frank Junior born circa 1866, the father of
>> Percy
>> may well be the man in the photographs. This would make Percy Senior
>> closer
>> to my father's age/generation, perhaps another reason for the family
>> photographs being sent to him in England. I may never sort this out, I
>> occasionally get a clear mental picture of the ghosts of my Avertys,
>> Lavertys, Gibauts, Le Gros's and etc. all sitting around having a good
>> laugh
>> at the audacity of a mere Australian sitting at a computer the other
>> side of
>> the world trying to record their family history from 100 plus years
>> ago. I
>> have another photograph of a toddler with a note on the back "This is
>> Percy's baby Percival 17 months in his crawlers", which would, if we
>> take an
>> extreme view place the photograph at about 1920 (Percy Snr born 1899
>> plus 18
>> years + 17 months = 1919/20). The only thing that doesn't work in your
>> scenario is that Frank Jnr born circa 1866 is shown as a farm servant,
>> but
>> this is in the 1901 census, If the photos are closer to 1920 the 19
>> years
>> difference could explain the difference of Farm Servant and Farm
>> Owner, or
>> of course if the farm is owned by Frank Snr and the family members see
>> it as
>> "their" farm and it is only when the technical description is required
>> that
>> the family member, not being the actual owner is described, probably
>> quite
>> correctly as a Farm Servant. The Elizabeth Mauger born circa 1836 in St
>> Brelade in the 1871 census has changed to Eliz. Susan Mauger born
>> circa 1836
>> in St Marys in the 1881 census. Do you have any suggestions as to how
>> to
>> find out if the maiden surname of Elizabeth Mauger born circa 1836 was
>> Gibaut ? Thanks for your help and for finding at least one of the Percy
>> Maugers.
>> Syd Pattison, Melbourne, Australia
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Pepin" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CI] Brookfield Farm ?, Beaumont ?.
>>
>>
>>> Hello Syd,
>>>
>>> The 1871 census: St Peter, Lower St Nicolas, 3-102-4, Valley Road
>>>
>>> Francis Mauger - Head - Mar - 36 - Landowner - born St Ouen
>>> Elizabeth Mauger - Wife - Mar - 35 - born St Brelade
>>> Elizabeth Mauger - Dau - Unm - 6 - born St Brelade
>>> Francis Mauger - Son - Unm - 6 - born St Brelade
>>> Ann Mauger - Dau - Unm - 4 - born St Brelade
>>>
>>> The 1901 census has this :
>>>
>>> St Peter, Lower St Nicolas, 3-119-7/8, Forest Hill
>>>
>>> Frank Mauger - Head - Mar - 36 - born St Brelade - farm servant
>>> Jane Mauger - Wife - Mar - 36 - born St Brelade
>>> Francis J. Mauger - Son - Unm - 9 - born St Peter
>>> Florence J. Mauger - Dau - Unm - 5 - born St Peter
>>> Percy A. Mauger - Son - Unm - 2 - born St Peter
>>>
>>> Possibly a connection ? Could Francis (son) 6 in 1871 become Frank
>>> (Head) in 1901 ? The birth parish would fit.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Mark Pepin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:25 AM, S.R & K.M.Pattison wrote:
>>>
>>>> G'Day Pam,
>>>> I am beginning to think that Dad may have somehow lumped Brookfield
>>>> Farm and
>>>> Beaumont in together when they were in fact separate places. I am
>>>> trying to
>>>> figure the time frame out. As far as I can figure out Dad and his
>>>> family
>>>> left Jersey for Weymouth in the early 1900s, they then moved to
>>>> Southampton
>>>> and were well settled there when World War 1 broke out in 1914 and
>>>> Dad
>>>> joined up in a Hampshire Regiment. It is possible that the reason for
>>>> the
>>>> photographs being taken was to send them to Dad in Weymouth or
>>>> Southampton
>>>> from Jersey to update him on what his relatives were up to or looked
>>>> like.
>>>> So the photos may have been taken around 1910 or later. The notes on
>>>> the
>>>> back of the photos are written in pen and ink, the wording is written
>>>> by a
>>>> family member who is not Percy, Elsie or Frank and Elizabeth as they
>>>> are
>>>> described by name rather than "this is a picture of me", Frank and
>>>> his
>>>> wife
>>>> are described as Mother and Farther sic. Joe De La Haye is described
>>>> as "a
>>>> man that works for us". If the 1881 Census Frank P. Mauger and the
>>>> man
>>>> in my
>>>> photograph are one and the same person, Frank Mauger was born circa
>>>> 1835, I
>>>> think the only key that is going to unlock the puzzle time frame wise
>>>> is
>>>> finding a birth date for Percival Mauger or Elsie Mauger, children of
>>>> Frank/Francis Mauger and Elizabeth Susan Gibaut. There is a man in
>>>> one
>>>> of
>>>> the other photographs I have tentatively identified as a Joe De La
>>>> Haye born
>>>> 1888 in St Brelade and it is possible that this man and
>>>> Percival/Percy
>>>> are
>>>> of similar age. So the best guess is that I can come up with is that
>>>> Percy
>>>> was born after the 1881 census and if the Joe D La Haye
>>>> identification
>>>> is
>>>> correct, it is possible that Percival/Percy was born after the 1891
>>>> census,
>>>> but against this is the fact that Percy's mother would have been 54
>>>> in
>>>> 1891.
>>>> Are you able to find a Percival or Percy Mauger or an Elsie Mauger in
>>>> the
>>>> 1891 census ?, I cannot be sure of the parish.
>>>> Regards, Syd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> S.R & K.M.Pattison
>>>> P.O. Box 1076
>>>> Huntingdale, AUSTRALIA 3166
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Pam Hislop" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CI] Brookfield Farm ?, Beaumont ?.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Syd,
>>>>>
>>>>> Have just checked through 1891 Census - St Peter, Vingt. St Nicolas
>>>>> -
>>>>> southern part and could find no reference to Brookfield Farm on any
>>>>> of the
>>>>> 17 pages.
>>>>> There were a number of Brookvales, Brookdales - none with name
>>>>> MAUGER/GIBAUT
>>>>> resident.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know what timeframe this would have been?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pam
>>>>>
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