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From: "K. Tewksbury-Fisher" <>
Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] Re: CHESHIRE-D Digest V98 #476
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:43:48 -0500


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> CHESHIRE-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 476
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> Today's Topics:
> #1 [CHESHIRE-L] File organisation the ["Mary O'Brien" <]
> #2 [CHESHIRE-L] ATHERTON [Elizabeth Atherton <]
> #3 [CHESHIRE-L] A Poem for Happiness ["Wendy S. Bennett" <]
> #4 Re: [CHESHIRE-L] no more mail ["Billy Covey" <.]
> #5 [CHESHIRE-L] Introduction ["allen watkin" <]
> #6 [CHESHIRE-L] (Fwd) Shoemakers [Helen Parsonage <]
> #7 Re: [CHESHIRE-L] (Fwd) Shoemakers ["Matthew Birrell" <]
> #8 Re: [CHESHIRE-L] ORMEROD BOOK [Helen Parsonage <]
> #9 [CHESHIRE-L] (Fwd) Re: BROCKLEHURS [Helen Parsonage <]
> #10 [CHESHIRE-L] More poems for happin [Matt Townsend <]
> #11 [CHESHIRE-L] FHC Catalog(ue). Part [Helen Parsonage <]
> #12 Re: [CHESHIRE-L] CAPITOL LETTERS R [ (Sally S]
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] File organisation the paper kind
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:03:30 +1000
> From: "Mary O'Brien" <>
> To:
>
> It is always very interesting to find out how people organize their
> filing systems. I would like to tell you about the system I have for non
> electronic filing. There is always information in 'transit' to you computer
> and also hard copies or documents that are in use.
>
> I use colour coding for my four grand parents and any of their
> ancestors. The main colours available in Australia are yellow, pink, blue
> and green. I use the natural / buff colour for my general information.
> This is a great time saver. If you are doing a spouse's family as well then
> a little ingenuity is required. I use coloured strips stuck onto very pale
> manila coloured folders. These coloured strips are also put on the spine
> area so that they can be identified easily if the file is lying in a stack.
>
> On the electronic front I use a genealogical program (The Master
> Genealogist) that allows me to enter copious amounts of information. There
> are many good programs that have this feature. My library, including books,
> CDs, stored indexes on floppies and information sheets are listed in a data
> base program. The information is under their appropriate headings, i.e.
> CD-ROM, and I keep a hard copy for my convenience.
>
> When dealing with general information and records don't over look your
> word processor. By using the table facility on any good word processor you
> can sort by various 'fields'. If your budget and computer skills are
> limited it is better to invest in a good word processor and learn to use all
> its wonderful features. You can use you word processor as a data base type
> record keeper. The secret in this type of recording is organizing your
> 'files' or 'folders'. Make your main files or folders and use them to store
> sub headings. This will group sets of information together and make it
> easier to find. It is very simple to copy and past to other documents.
>
> You could have LIBRARY as a main folder. Under this folder you could
> then list, BOOKS, CD-ROM, MAPS, GENERAL INFORMATION. Set up your tables in
> a way that suits you but here is a suggestion. BOOKS could have columns
> with such headings as 1. Subject (this could be people, places, history or
> indexes); 2. Make another three columns with more details of the contents,
> remembering that the first word will be able to be sorted into alphabetical
> order; 3. years covered if applicable; 4. Don't forget the details of the
> publication including name, author and ISBN number.
>
> This is for you and it is important that you set out your records in a
> way that suits your needs. You can get lost of good ideas from others but
> in the end it will be up to you.
>
> Regards, Mary
>
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] ATHERTON
> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:10:23 -0800
> From: Elizabeth Atherton <>
> To:
>
> Hello James,
>
> I don't have an Elizabeth ATHERTON who married a Thomas GARBUTT. I have
> got an Elizabeth Ellen - and some tangible proof of her too, we have the
> sampler she made at school - but she wasn't born until 1845. She has an
> Uncle John 1815 - 1900, but the bare dates are all I have about him so
> far. Pity John is such a common name, now Ralph would almost certainly
> be one of mine !
>
> Congleton isn't far from Winsford and certainly people seem to have
> moved further than you would expect. I did some work on the house &
> street (GARDEN LANE, CHESTER) that we live in and the population changed
> radically between each census, with people moving not just from
> Liverpool, which you might expect, but from as far away as Scotland and
> High Wycombe.
>
> Hello Sue,
>
> No, can't fit in Alice BANKS, or your Henry ATHERTON. I've got a couple
> of Henrys and a William Henry, but the dates don't fit, and most of my
> lot stayed pretty firmly anchored in Wharton.
>
> Sorry ! Elizabeth
>
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] A Poem for Happiness
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:34:53 +0000
> From: "Wendy S. Bennett" <>
> To:
>
> Hello to all our friends on this list, except Matt MacWilliams.
>
> I have replied privatley to that individual. I hope he gets better from his
> brain storm and out burst of emaill rage!!!
>
> I thought he must be lacking in some sort of happiness in his life so I sent
> him this poem.
>
> I know that the rest of my friends on this list are very nice people, but I
> thought that as it is a nice poem, I would share it with you. It is by an
> unknown artist so I'm sure copyright is not infringed here.
>
> A SMILE
>
> A smile cost nothing,
> but gives much.
> It enriches thise who receive,
> without making poorer those who give.
> It takes but a moment,
> but the memory of it sometimes lasts forever.
> None is so rich or mighty that he can get along without it,
> and none is so poor but that can be made rich by it.
> A smile creates happiness in the home,
> fosters goodwill in business,
> and is the countersign of friendship.
> It brings rest to the weary,
> cheer to the discouraged, sunshine to the sad,
> and is natures' best antidote for trouble.
> Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed or stolen,
> for it is something that is of no value to anyone until it is given away,
> Some people are too tired to give you a smile,
> Give them one of yours,
> as none needs a smile so much as he who has no more to give
>
> ANON.
>
> Wouldn't it be terrible if he was inundated with 'nice poems' or such ;-0.
> Just a thought.
>
> Wendy S. Bennett
> WALLASEY, WIRRAL
> Reply to .
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> Subject: Re: [CHESHIRE-L] no more mail
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:01:59 -0600
> From: "Billy Covey" <>
> To:
>
> Go get'em tiger.
>
> Bill Covey
> Watson Is Where It Wuz
> -
>
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] Introduction
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:52:05 -0000
> From: "allen watkin" <>
> To:
>
> Hello everyone,
> My name is Allen Watkin.I was subscribed to this
> list until about a fortnight ago,
> but was suddenly mysteriously unsubscribed,so here I am again!
> I`m researching the name Watkin,and am looking
> for any information about this
> name in the Liverpool area,circa late 18th/early nineteenth century.
>
> Many thanks in advance
> Allen
>
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] (Fwd) Shoemakers
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:20:56 -0500
> From: Helen Parsonage <>
> To:
>
> >Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 02:03:53 -0800 (PST)
> >From:
> >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
>
> >
> >Dear All
> >
> >Does anyone have information about shoemakers/cordwainers in Cheshire in the
> >period 1800-1880. I am particularly interested in TARPORLEY and TARVIN areas.
> >
> >I think there may be a link between my gggfather, William VERNON, shoemaker
> >(b. 1807)and several shoemaking Vernons and skinners in Tarporley (1851
> >census).
> >
> >
> >Searching (for now)
> >VERNON
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >| Dr. David I. Vernon E-mail: |
> >| School of Biochemistry & |
> >| Molecular Biology |
> >| University of Leeds |
> >| LEEDS LS2 9JT Tel: +44 (0)113 233 3143 |
> >| United Kingdom Fax: +44 (0)113 233 3017 |
> >|-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> >| Centre for Photobiology and Photodynamic Therapy |
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> >
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> Subject: Re: [CHESHIRE-L] (Fwd) Shoemakers
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:31:55 +1000
> From: "Matthew Birrell" <>
> To:
>
> It was lovely to see these two little villages mentioned together as both
> places are neighbouring villages, not far from Chester, and where my family
> came from. They are lovely places to visit as we did in 1995.. Just brought
> back memories.
> Robert BOSTOCK married at Tarvin (St.Andrews) in 1770 to Elizabeth WILKINSON
> from BLEASE of Tarvin who were butchers back to 1700.....
>
> Have a happy day...Thelma (Bostock) Birrell
> :
>
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> Subject: Re: [CHESHIRE-L] ORMEROD BOOK
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:35:14 -0500
> From: Helen Parsonage <>
> To:
>
> >From:
> >To:
> >Message-ID: <>
> >Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] ORMEROD BOOK
> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
> >
> >I am wondering if the Hist. of Cheshire by G. Ormerod will be reprinted. If
> >not, does anyone know a second hand source?
> >Vera Watkins
> >
>
> Vera,
> The third volume w/index (Macclesfield) has been reprinted by E.J. Morten
> of Manchester. It is still listed in Books in Print, however I have had it
> on order through my bookseller since early August, and I know of one other
> person who placed an order back in April, with no luck yet : - (
> Your best bet might be to go the your FHC and order it. It is on four films.
> To locate it select B (County) and enter Cheshire, choose Cheshire, England
> and hit F6. Under the list of topics select Genealogy or History (I think
> it in both).
>
> Hope this helps,
> Helen
>
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] (Fwd) Re: BROCKLEHURST Silk History
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:20:19 -0500
> From: Helen Parsonage <>
> To:
>
> >Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 05:57:29 -0800 (PST)
> >From: James Cheetham <>
> >Subject: Re: [CHESHIRE-L] BROCKLEHURST Silk History.
> >X-Diagnostic: Sent to the wrong address : - (
> >
> >At 08:35 PM 11/2/98 +0000, you wrote:
> >>Does anybody know if there is a book about the history of the
> >>BROCKLEHURST connection with the silk industry in the Macclesfield area?
> >
> >I remember a book, based on a Ph.D. thesis dealing with the silk industry
> >in Macclesfield, and the name Brocklehurst pops up quite a bit. The
> >title was something like Macclesfield: Silk town 1700-1900, I will check
> >my notes and see if I can find the actual title, author, etc.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Jim
>
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] More poems for happiness...
> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 07:39:01 -0700
> From: Matt Townsend <>
> To:
>
> At the risk of being ripped for poor netiquette I thought the following,
> attributed to the Irish, might be appropriate. :-)
>
> May those who love us, love us and those who don't love us,
> May God turn their hearts; And if he doesn't turn their hearts
> May he turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limping
>
> Matt Townsend
> Monument, Colorado, USA
> Searching Townsends, Townshends, and similar...
>
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> Subject: [CHESHIRE-L] FHC Catalog(ue). Part The Second
> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:04:52 -0500
> From: Helen Parsonage <>
> To:
>
> In which our intrepid hero moves on to the dreaded church records in the
> Family History Library Catalog at the local Family History Center.
>
> CHURCH RECORDS
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> OK, lets pickup where we left off last time. You've gone through the
> various selections and are now looking at the list of topics for Prestbury
> (or wherever), Cheshire.
>
> Two of the items you almost always see are:
> Church records and
> Church records - indexes.
> For reasons I'll come back to in a moment, church indexes are not the
> godsend (sorry!) they appear. And this isn't the place for a lengthy
> dissertation on the kinds of church records available - just how to find
> what you want when you know what you want : - )
>
> Most places have quite a few records under church records, so select it and
> hit F8 to see them all. Use the 'page down' button to move through the
> records. These are, in general, the kinds you will find:
> 1. Chapelries. Chapels were basically satellite churches to the parish
> church, created to deal with overcrowding or distance. Most date from the
> 1800s, but some are earlier. They are Church of England. Unless I have good
> reason to order one of these I usually wait unitl I've searched the main
> registers first.
> 2. Parish registers. Not found for Cheshire parishes very often,
> unfortunately, but this is what you want if it's there. Usually you you
> will find Bishop's Transcripts, which were copies made annually for the
> bishop! Look for the phrase 'microfilmed from original....'
> 3. Non-conformist registers. Cover anything not Church of England. Look
> here if you know they are in this place - but aren't in the parish
> registers - or you know from other sources that they were noncons.
>
> Within each of these categories you will find various forms of the records:
> 1. Originals. Self-explanatory. Advantages are that you are not relying on
> someone else's reading or transcribing. Disadvantages are illegibility, may
> be in Latin, handwriting problems etc. I almost always go for these.
> 2. Transcripts and extracts. Advantages are legibility, may be indexed.
> Disadvantages are transcription errors and omissions.
> 3. LDS printouts. Watch for these!! Many new researchers think they are
> getting transcripts of the parish register and order these in error. These
> are computer printouts of the IGI entries for that parish. That's all, no
> more, no less. These are also found under the topic 'Church Indexes', which
> is why I said they are not what you might hope.
>
> Miscellania
> ~~~~~~~~~~
> There are a few odd items of information you might find helpful:
> 1. Church records sometimes include such treasures as Church wardens
> accounts and rate books. *Always* interesting and worth a look.
> 2. You may be lucky to find Monumental Inscriptions (also catalogued under
> the topic "Cemeteries")
> 3. When you find a record that interests you hit F2, then select 'Print
> Record' to get a paper copy to take with you.
>
> That's basically it for finding church records. Any questions?
>
> Like all things connected to computers, showing and doing would be much
> easier than trying to describe in writing - but I hope you can follow this
> when you sit down at your local FHC.
>
> Helen
>
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> Subject: Re: [CHESHIRE-L] CAPITOL LETTERS REQUEST
> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 22:23:21 GMT
> From: (Sally Sinclair)
> To:
>
> In message <> Wendy S. Bennett wrote:
>
> > Can I please give a 'gentle' reminder to put all surnames or place names
> > in CAPITOL letters.
>
> I prefer it when the surnames are in capitals but the placenames are
> written normally. Otherwise, when you see TIMPERLEY, it's difficult to
> know whether it's a surname or the village and you have to check the message
> for context, which kind of defeats the purpose.
>
> --
> Sally Sinclair (nee Sant)
>
> Researching: Brundrett, Frier, Goulborn, Hassall/Hassell, Hewitt, Jenkinson,
> Lansley/Lanceley, Lawton, Oakes, Royle, Sant, Simpson.

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