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From: "Donald Massey" <>
Subject: Re: [CHS] Adoption
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:39:21 +0100
References: <001901c6b9b9$12f14d50$0301a8c0@yourae343bcbaf> <002801c6ba0e$56887610$83131352@bob> <42DA342E-B16C-48C2-9ECB-0F6139D40AF7@tesco.net>
I agree with those who say that the twins were probably registered together,
and separated afterwards.
Wherever they were born, it would be difficult to conceal the multiple
birth, and authority would have found out sooner or later
----- Original Message -----
> What were the regulations for birth registration in 1912? With so many
> home births and no NHS I suspect the process was simply left to the
> parents. This would leave it open for the relatives to go along and
> register the child as their own. Also, I would not assume your
> grandmother didn't know she was having twins unless you are sure she
> would not have seen a doctor or nurse before the confinement.
> So if Bob's method doesn't come up with the information I suggest tracing
> the 'parallel' lines in your family tree and filling in the gaps,
> starting with the closest and moving outwards. If for example you have a
> cousin Sarah who married Mr Bloggs and you don't know any more, then look
> for a male BLOGGs birth in the local area at the right date.
> You need to be careful of course - the possibility that the twin or his
> descendants were never told the truth is multiplied because it is surely
> illegal to give false information to the registrar.
> On 7 Aug 2006, at 11:43, Bob Kirk wrote:
>> Its highly unlikely that the birth of both the twins were not registered
>> at the same time and they would appear as consecutive entries in the
>> Register. You say that the RO at Ashbourne would not let you look at the
>> Register which is normal practice but you are allowed to look at the
>> Indexes. This has normally to be done by appointment and involves a
>> fee depending on the time it takes.
>> The Indexes are sorted by surname in alphabetic order and are made up
>> for each register after it is filled. If you ask for the Index
>> covering the register of your fathers birth and then find his entry,
>> your fathers twin should appear next to him. You then have to request
>> a copy of the certificate and pay the usual seven pounds. If you want
>> to know the names of the other children registered at the same time note
>> the page number of your fathers entry and then trawl through the whole
>> index looking for this page number noting the names as you go. There
>> are normally 5 entries per page and it might be an idea to note those
>> names that appear on the pages either side of your fathers just in case
>> he is the first or last on a page.
>> I must say that given that you had already purchased your fathers
>> certificate, I am a little disappointed that the Ashbourne RO would not
>> take a look at the register themselves and give you a wink or a nod as
>> to the entries either side. There is always the possibility that the
>> register entry for the other twin has had the word 'Adopted' written
>> alongside it in which case the RO would be reluctant to release details.
>> However, the name should appear in the Index.
>> Hope this helps.
>> Bob KIRK
>> Interests Are:
>> KIRK (Crewe & Manchester)
>> DAWSON (Manchester)
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:33 AM
>> Subject: [CHS] Adoption
>>> Thanks for the reply Ron,regarding the adoption laws, the problem was
>>> back in 1912 when my father and his twin was born, my grandmother would
>>> not have known she was having twins until they were born and they were
>>> also illegitimate, which would have been a double shock,for her parents
>>> to say the least, but they were good enough to help her and helped with
>>> my father, his twin being given away to relatives as mentioned, and who
>>> was to know back then that there was a twin, only the fore mentioned
>>> people. I checked with Ashbourne for a certificate for the twin, but to
>>> no avail, I even put an advert in the local news paper, but had replys
>>> and he's proable dead now like dad, so it looks like he's lost forever,
>>> a pity, Regards Ann.
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