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From: "M. Shaw" <>
Subject: Re: [CHS] public records and copyright
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:02:38 -0700
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Thanks Alan,

I agree. Personally, I think it would be very rude for someone to upload
photos that were shared by someone else without asking permission and that
is why I haven't done it.

Just to clarify the point about ceritificates, that means that I shouldn't
have uploaded the certificates that I bought to Ancestry? I never thought
about the certificates that I purchased from the UK as being copyrighted.

Marie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Bennett" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CHS] public records and copyright


> Marie
>
> Three points here:
>
> - always ask permission from the person who gave you the photos before
> publishing them on a web-site
> - some photos may be subject to copyright and you wont know which if you
> receive them from someone else
> - certificates are copyrighted (UK GRO anyway) and should not be published
> online as the person buying them bought them for personal use only
>
> Regards
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> On Behalf Of M. Shaw
> Sent: 07 February 2010 21:36
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [CHS] public records and copyright
>
> I am a little concerned about what is the proper thing to do with regard
> to
> this subject and would appreciate some opinions.
>
> I have made the decision to put my family history, together with the
> certificates that I have paid for, on Ancestry.
>
> There are some pictures that others have taken and some documents /
> certificates that other people have sent to me over the years. At this
> point in time, I have not uploaded these to Ancestry, only certificiates
> that I've paid for or scanned pictures that I own or that I have taken.
>
> Would you consider it inappropriate for me to upload a certificate that
> someone else paid for and then shared with me to a website like Ancestry?
>
> If I have an old family photograph taken decades ago, but the photography
> business is still operating under new ownership, then I would assume that
> it's a breach of copyright to upload to Ancestry or to anywhere else on
> the
> web?
>
> Sometimes I'm rather dense where topics like this are concerned.
>
> Marie
> Alberta, Canada
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Cc: <>
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:53 PM
> Subject: [CHS] public records and copyright
>
>
>> Basic International Copyright law is:
>>
>> All rights reserved, including intellectual, on work done in it's
>> original form.
>>
>> i.e. I own Bibles no one else has, or has seen in 150 years. I also
>> own
>> letters, photos, with writing on, which are ditto. I have
>> correspondence
>> of my own or given me--which fit that bill. If I use these things,
>> write
>> them up in my style, quoting, referencing, I can hold copyright.
>>
>> I can put everything together, publish a lengthy genealogy using such
>> things, hold copyright.
>>
>> One cannot exclusively copyright records in the public domain---any
>> certificates, vital stats,
>>
>> newspaper articles, are owned by the paper they appear in, the writer who
>> works for them---and reference must be given as to that source.
>>
>> The ancestors belong to everyone who descend from them. Their public,
>> anyone can get their hands on them records, likewise.
>>
>> If someone helps out, hands over research we haven''t yet done/found,
>> they should be given as the source/reference, and if they are willing, a
>> contact address. And thanked.
>>
>> (we all know more than we write down and send)
>>
>> If the lady in question kept handing out copies and info, no one said
>> thank you, or referenced her research as the source---she has a
>> legitimate
>> gripe as to rudeness /no manners. BUT--she can't hold exclusive rights
>> to
>> public info. Doesn't matter HOW much she spent over the years. Doubt
>> anyone
>> was holding a knife to her throat, forcing her to send off queries and
>> funds.
>>
>>
>> Sheila
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/7/2010 2:13:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> writes:
>>
>> Welcome to the club Mike
>>
>> I no longer have any Fulton's in my tree as Pat has the 'rights', as she
>> thinks anyway, to all the info available on that surname.
>>
>>
>> Dave Goodwin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> [mailto:]
>> On Behalf Of Mike Hayes
>> Sent: 07 February 2010 13:39
>> To:
>> Subject: [CHS] Fulton details remove my name now
>>
>> To whom it concerns
>>
>> Someone with Fulton relatives have put all the details on their tree on
>> Ancestry.com
>> and I have been accused yet again of being the culprit.
>>
>> The Fulton details were gathered by Pat Bakewell not me. She has paid a
>> fortune for the certificates over the years. If you have the audacity to
>> claim the work is yours then don't put my name to it in future, and if
>> it
>> is
>> on there please remove it.
>>
>> I have taken off all Fulton details and destroyed all hard copies of
>> connections from Pat to gather it all again myself.
>>
>> Regrettably I have had to sever ties with her as she believes I am the
>> culprit. This is not the first time this has happened, but it will be
>> the
>> last. If any other Fulton related data appears anywhere it has NOT come
>> from
>> myself.
>>
>> Mike Hayes
>>
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