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From: "Mary P." <>
Subject: RE: [CHOCTAW-SE] Black drink
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:18:05 -0700
In-Reply-To: <008201c3f263$aa56b880$63af4a3f@sherry>


Hadicol was Dudley's invention. It was 99.99 percent alcohol and was used
as a cure all for everything. He used to do commercials on it on a radio
station out of Lafayette and all over South Louisiana it ws a well known otc
medicine. I think he probably made enough off it to let the good times roll.
Mary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:01 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] Black drink
>
>
> Yep - remember Hadicol too. Which one of those was Sen. Dudley LeBlanc's
> invention, Geritol or Hadicol? Didn't he make about $1million
> off of it and
> it turned out to be mostly alcohol? No wonder you felt better!
>
> dusty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary P." <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [CHOCTAW-SE] Black drink
>
>
> > We are One,only instead of Geritol it was Hadacol(LA) Never and I am 76
> will
> > I forget the black draught treatment.
> > Mary
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:23 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Black drink
> > >
> > >
> > > Ha! You got that old "Black Draught" treatment too, huh??? If it
> wasn't
> > > for that, Geritol and Cod Liver Oil, my family wouldn't still
> be going.
> > > Nope, the original black drink was made from yaupon (a tree that grows
> in
> > > the south) and works as an emetic. Don't try it - you'll wish you
> hadn't!
> > >
> > > dusty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mary P." <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:36 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [CHOCTAW-SE] Black drink
> > >
> > >
> > > > Does anyone out there know if the Black Tea was a liquid named Black
> > > Draught
> > > > used in a purification of the body by drinking this liquid tea
> > > and fasting
> > > > for the day. My aunt, who was of Choctaw descent(LA Choctaws) used
> this
> > > > ritual on her children and me at least once per month. It was
> > > not exactly
> > > an
> > > > uplifting experience for we children. Hungry kids we were until
> > > the magic
> > > > time that the purification ended and we were allowed to eat.
> > > > Mary
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [mailto:]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:26 AM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: [CHOCTAW-SE] Black drink
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm glad you included the info about the "black drink". I lived
> very
> > > near
> > > > > the old Natchez village site and that was a documented part of
> > > > > their ritual
> > > > > life also. Do you know if anyone still adheres to this practice?
> > > > >
> > > > > dusty
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "George Ann Gregory" <>
> > > > > To: <>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHOCTAW-SE] DIVINING CRYSTALS
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cherokees did/do use crystals. Choctaw medicine makers
> > > > > > make use "sacred rocks". I have myself held one of
> > > > > > these. It changed temperature in different locations.
> > > > > > Sometimes it was ice cold and did not warm up with
> > > > > > holding it. Other times it was warm before being held.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, Choctaw alikchi(doctors) learned their knowledge
> > > > > > of herbs and healing from the little people who lived
> > > > > > in the forests.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, each ball team had what was translated as
> > > > > > "ballgame witches".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Like many SE nations, the Choctaw had ceremonies which
> > > > > > included drinking "black tea."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They often used water in their ceremonies. Sweats were
> > > > > > done if prescribed by a medicine person. Some
> > > > > > ceremonies were conducted by men, but a clan mother
> > > > > > could/can do some of the simpler ones, like naming and
> > > > > > houseblessings. Also, there were marriage ceremonies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Medicine makers had pipes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is no one source that I know of that describes
> > > > > > all of this. Some I have read about, and others I have
> > > > > > learned from elders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, by the end of the War of 1812, the
> > > > > > Choctaw had lost thousands to alcohol. They were
> > > > > > pretty much demoralized and many traditions were lost
> > > > > > during that time. That is also the time that the
> > > > > > Protestant missionaries came in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George Ann
> > > > > > Holabitubbe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Brooke Patton <> wrote:
> > > > > > > I am looking for information re the Choctaws that
> > > > > > > may have practiced medicine or other arts among our
> > > > > > > people. In a publication, entitled, "Reader's
> > > > > > > Digest" " America's Fascinating Indian Heritage "
> > > > > > > copyright 1978, In the section, entitled, The
> > > > > > > Southeast - The Five Civilized Tribes", on page 88 ,
> > > > > > > a paragraph reads in part..... the Southeastern
> > > > > > > Indians did believe in divining crystals, which were
> > > > > > > always among the objects carried along by a war
> > > > > > > party in it's collective medicine bundle". This
> > > > > > > article refers to the Cherokee Tribe by name, but
> > > > > > > suggests that there were " ordinary healers and
> > > > > > > conjurors" among the Five Civilized Tribes. I have
> > > > > > > never heard of this mentioned re the Choctaws
> > > > > > > before. Does anyone have any comments on this or
> > > > > > > maybe have knowledge of crystal divination or other
> > > > > > > "sacred" arts practiced among our people?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank You
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brooke
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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