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From: "Dennis Doyle" <>
Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:06:50 -0400


i checked and mt arlington opened in thjis century

----- Original Message -----
From: William Rose
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:17 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands

Dennis,
Good luck in your search. I tried again a little by still only come up with one Mt. Arlington or Mount Arlington located in NJ; but believe you already had checked that one out.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Doyle
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands


Bill,
thank you for putting that branch of the family together. i gave it to my siblings at christmas and they were thrilled with it, especially the section on james collins. your information was a hit. the pension record contained a world of info on his wife and children (one of whom was my great grandmother). i was not able to connect with the painting owner. they never returned my queries. i dont know if its still available but i would love to see it in person. i believe his pension also mentioned mt arlington. i will check out the 63rds site this weekend. you can tell im overworked when im making all of my meesages after midnight. im trying to find james collins origins before the war. his records show him to be from galway ireland and that they married in 1852. his wife ann was also from ireland and her maiden name was also collins. they had three children die in infancy between 1855 and 1858 before michael 1858 and margaret 1860 lived. i have no idea exactly when he came o!
ve!
r or where in galway he came from ill be in touch.
Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: William Rose
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:15 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands

Dennis,
Thanks for your all to kind comments, but I just concentrate mainly on the 63rd. There are many others out there such as Mike Kane that are authorities on the Irish brigade.
I think I sent you this information, but in case I didn't. I've been to the area where the 63rd and Irish brigade was hit during that battle. It matches pretty good the description and there is a local park here now, then a deep ravine from the Lieutenant Run along where the Confederates had marched and were very well hidden. There's no signs or markers there; so I'm just taking a good guess from a history of the battle and maps. I can imagine that when the Confederates hit the flank nearby here and SgtMaj Collins took that serious wound, probably he tried to rally as many of those around him to defend the area until they were forced to surrender. The best I've read so far is that those Union that died in Libby prison at that time were buried in Oakwood cemetery, but when I talked to the superintendent of that cemetery he didn't know of Union burials, and when I mentioned Mt. Arlington cemetery, he said in all his years of working for the Richmond cemetery system, he had n!
ev!
er heard of it.
Did you ever come up with that portrait of SgtMaj Collins, or who bought it? If I remember this is where the mention of him being buried in Mt. Arlington cemetery is written on it. So my guess is that a descendant of him that originally owned it wrote this on the portrait.
One other step a didn't get to yet, was to see who else was prisoner at Libby and died around the same time, to see if there is any burial record on them and where they are located. It might make sense that they might be in a similar or nearby area, or if moved were moved together. Just a shot in the dark.
By the way I thought you might be interested to know that we started a Sons of Union Veterans camp in honor of the 63rd, and a descendant of Sgt Tim O'Neil of Co. A 63rd is our commander. It's the Col. James D. Brady Camp 63 and our website is www.geocities.com/suvbrady/camp63 ,our 63rd NY site which I think you might already have is www.geocities.com/firstvirginia/63rdNY
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Doyle
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands


Michael,
second note for the night. i looked into my records and boy am i embarrassed. bill rose was the guy who put it all together for me. i stopped working on this branch because bill had given me so much and i had sixteen other branches to finish by xmas 03 so moved on to the other 15. ive had so much info going thru my head that i simply forgot. but let me say that bill rose was amazing. he nailed down all of the info for me and i owe him a lot. anyone involved in saving and documenting the history of the irish brigade owes bill rose a debt of gratitude.
Dennis Doyle

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Kane
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:25 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands

Dennis:

Here's a tip for you. The guy who has done the most extensive research on
the 63rd NY is Bill Rose. I would contact him,
if I were you. His email is He has been searching the
regimental records of the 63rd for the
last two years at the National Archives. He probably has as much primary
info on the 63rd as anyone in the USA. Bill has been a reenact or with the
69th Pa., 9th Mass., 1st Virginia, and 63rd NY. However, he is an expert
researcher and might be able to help you out. Have you ever searched for a
pension record on Mr. Collins?

June 16, 1864 was a bitter day for the 2nd Corps trying to seize the
fortifications around Petersburg. 2nd Corps claims to have assaulted Redans
3, 13 and 14 here. Colonel Patrick Kelly, commanding the Irish Brigade was
killed that day. It would seem Mr. Collins was part of the assault force and
may have gained the fortifications and been wounded. Thus he fell into CSA
hands and was returned to Richmond. I read an interesting letter recently
from Lt. David Lynch, 69th N.Y. describing his
captivity in CSA hands. He was in three different CSA prison camps before
being exchanged. He described Libby as the best of
the lot but none were a picnic. Looking at the date of capture and the date
of death, I would guess Mr. Collins probably died as a result of his wounds
while in captivity.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Doyle [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:46 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands



My great-great grandfather, James Collins, was a Sergeant Major with 2nd
Corps of the
63rd Division. He was with the 63rd since his enlistment on 8/7/1861 in New
York City. On
6/22/1864 James received a severe leg wound and was captured at the Second
Battle of
Petersburg, VA. Division records show that his company was probably
fighting in the Battle
of Jerusalem Road when he was wounded. He was sent to nearby Libby Prison in
Richmond,
VA with a large group of his men from the 63rd Division. On 8/1/1864 James
died at Libby
Prison from his wounds. Records show that he was buried at Mt. Arlington
Cemetery (not
the Arlington National Military Cemetery) which means the location is
unknown to us. I have
been unable to find the exact place of his capture or his burial. I would
appreciate any help from
persons with knowledge of the activities of the 2nd Corps of the 63rd
Divsion or of CSA grave
records for Union soldiers.
Dennis Doyle



----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Kane
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:25 AM
To:
Subject: [Civil-War-Irish] Irish Officers IN CSA Hands


The following list of Irish officers in CSA hands was published in the
1/28/65 I/A:




Lt. A. H. O'Connor 69th NYV
Lt. Hugh Kelly 69th NYV
Lt. J. Lynch 69th NYV [David Lynch?]
Lt. J.W. Conklin 88th NYV
Maj. J.W. Byron 88th NYV
Lt. C.J. Flynn 155th NYV (Corcoran's Irish Legion)
Lt. J. Hartford 155th NYV
Major J. Beattie 164th NYV (CIL)
Capt. T.W. Kelly 164th NYV
Capt. J.O'Hearn 164th NYV
Capt B.O'Reilly 164th NYV
Capt. Michael O'Rorke 164th NYV
Lt. T. McGowan 164th NYV
Lt. J. Ryan 164th NYV
Lt. J. Cantwell 164th NYV
Major P.K. Downey 170th NYV (CIL)
Lt. J. Freeland 170th NYV
Major J. Byrne 155th NYV
Capt. F. Page 155th NYV
Capt G.L. Turner 170th NYV
Lt. Davis 155th NYV shot and killed by guards at Salisbury October 16, 1864.

[Most of these officers were captured at Weldon Railroad in August, 1864]



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