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From: "John A Hansen" <>
Subject: [Clan KERR] FW: Clan? Kerr
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:21:32 -0800




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alastair McIntyre [mailto:]
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:35 PM
> To: John A Hansen
> Subject: Re: Clan? Kerr
>
>
> Did you know we had the book up on Ferniehirst Castle?
> http://www.electricscotland.com/history/ferniehirst/index.htm and also a
> book on the author at
> http://www.electricscotland.com/si/features/kerr/index.htm
>
> Alastair
> -----------
> Alastair McIntyre
> Tel: +44 1324 666336
> http://www.electricscotland.com
> http://www.scotsearch.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John A Hansen" <>
> To: <>; "CLAN-KERR L Rootsweb" <>
> Cc: "Alastair McIntyre" <>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:23 AM
> Subject: RE: Clan? Kerr
>
>
> > Dear Dave:
> >
> > You raise an excellent point and so I have copied your
> > question and reply to the list, Hope you don't mind
> > but the question is very much on point.
> >
> > There is always lots of discussion about the legitimate
> > Clans. So Rootsweb and I agreed that we would use the
> > listing at the Great Hall of Clans as our guideline.
> > The Lord Lyon has referred to this list in their own
> > web site. While that does not condone proof, it
> > does show which way they are leaning. The tendency
> > of the new Lord Lyon is also more lenient than previous
> > Lord Lyons.
> >
> > I have copied below the text from that web site
> > so you can see their position.
> >
> > http://www.tartans.com/clans/Kerr/kerr.html
> >
> > I also looked over at electricscotland and Alastair McIntyre
> > apparently concurs. He has also done a lot of research
> > on each of the Clans and probably has more background
> > than most on this subject.
> >
> > http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/htol/kerr2.htm
> >
> > Thanks again for writing.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > John A Hansen
> >
> > Clan Kerr Board and List Admin
> >
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> >
> > Arms
> > Badge: A shining sun
> > Motto: Sero sed serio - "Late but in earnest"
> > Tartan: Kerr; Kerr hunting
> > Gaelic Name: Cearr, MacGhillechearr
> > Septs: Ker, Carr, Carre, Cessford
> > The Kerrs are traditionally said to be of Anglo-Norman descent
> settling in
> > the Scottish Borders in the 14th century, however the first of the name
> > appears to be John Ker hunter of Swinhope. The two main rival
> branches of
> > the Kerrs descended from two brothers, Ralph and John who were
> living near
> > Jedburgh in the 14th century; the Kerrs of Ferniehurst were
> descended from
> > the eldest and the Kers of Cessford from John. Although the two families
> > were constantly in bitter conflict the descendants of both these houses
> were
> > appointed Wardens of the Middle Marches; Sir Andrew of
> Ferniehurst in 1502
> > and Sir Andrew of Cessford after the Battle of Flodden.
> > The Kerrs continued to oppose one another during the 16th century and on
> the
> > death of James IV, when his widow Margaret Tudor remarried the Douglas
> Earl
> > of Angus, the Kers of Cessford supported the English
> Queen-mother and the
> > Kerrs of Ferniehurst the young King, James V. Cessford was
> forced to flee
> to
> > England when Angus was exiled only to return on the death of James V in
> 1542
> > when Sir John Kerr of Ferniehurst lost his castle. The castle was
> recaptured
> > in 1549 and the English who had repeatedly raped the Kerr women, rather
> than
> > being killed, were captured and horribly tortured. The rivalry continued
> > when Sir Thomas of Ferniehurst fought for Mary Queen of Scots
> at Langside
> > and Sir Walter Cessford on the side of James VI. The feud was
> resolved on
> > the political level by the Union of the Crown and by the
> marriage of Anne
> > Ker of Cessford to William Kerr of Ferniehurst.
> >
> > >From this couple descend the Earls and Marquesses of Lothian.
> Sir Robert
> > Cessford, son of Sir Walter mentioned above was created Lord Roxburgh in
> > 1637. By marraige to the heiress of the Earl of Roxburgh, Sir William
> > Drummond became 2nd Earl of Roxburgh and assumed the name of Kerr. His
> > descendant, John, 5th Earl was created Duke of Roxburgh. Following the
> > failure of the line with the death of John, 3rd Duke of
> Roxburgh the title
> > passed to Sir James Innes of that Ilk who was 25th Chief of the
> Innes who
> > adopted the name of Kerr. The chief of the Clan Kerr is the Marquess of
> > Lothian and the Duke of Roxburgh is the Chief of the Innes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:02 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Clan? Kerr
> > >
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > Hate to be a stickler about this, but the Kerr's were
> > > never a Clan. They were (and still are) a Border
> > > family. By the way, they didn't wear kilts either.
> > > They wore trousers.
> > >
> > > I maintain a list of about 12,000
> > > Kerrs/Carrs/Kers/Carres, etc. If anyone would like me
> > > to run a query on this database, I'd be glad to. Also,
> > > if someone would like to have a query published in the
> > > Kerr Family Association Newsletter (The Borderline), let
> > > me know. Or, if anyone wants to know more about joining
> > > the association, I can help them with that, too.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave Kerr, Genealogy Director
> > > Kerr Family Association of North America
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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