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From: "Barbara Phillips" <>
Subject: Re: [CLWYD] John PHILLIPS 1828 Tregeiriog, Denbighshire
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:56:01 -0800

Hi Ian,
It would help if I read your messages in the order that you sent them. Now
the Bus tickets make sence.
Interestingly, I do believe that these Phillips's are mine. I think this
Phillips Philips is the brother to one of my greats, which would make him a
great plus uncle.Anyway, a very intersting bit a trivia. My Father, Grand
Father and Great Grandfather, owned a service station in Chicago Illinois,
prior to WWII. They sold fuel and repaired cars. My Dad was an Aircraft
pilot/mechanic during the war. This has been a great piece of information.

> [Original Message]
> From: Ian Edwards <>
> To: <>
> Date: 12/28/2005 3:55:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [CLWYD] John PHILLIPS 1828 Tregeiriog, Denbighshire
> Barbara Phillips wrote:
> > Thank you! I thought I had a Phillip Phillips somewhere, I just didn't
> > know
> > where. I noticed on the map that you sent Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog
> > County
> > is next to, Llangadwaladr County, would this area all be part of the
> > Ceiriog Valley.
> >
> > Also, I have an un-related question. You seem to be very knowlagable
> > about
> > Wales and it's History. Were the only coal mines in the UK in Wales? Or
> > were there also mines in England?
> >
> Hi again Barbara,
> If Phillip Phillips and his family are yours, then I can tell you that
> their descendants remained in the Ceiriog Valley (and are possible still
> there?)
> Little Elias Philips became "an enterprising person who, among other
> things, made gravestones from a very special mix of concrete referred to
> as "Phillips' Everlasting Gravestones. Many are still to be seen in the
> cemetery today". Haydn Phillips, son of Elias Phillips, owned the garage
> at Glyn Ceiriog. "The garage supplied petrol, tyre and car accessories
> as well as a repair service. They also provided a taxi and bus service."
> [From "100 Years in The Valley - A photographic account of the Ceiriog
> Valley, 1800 to date" by Dewi Parry Jones & Robert Owen Jones, published
> by the Ceiriog Press 1998]
> The map I sent you shows the local 'parishes' (not counties) of
> Llangadwaladr, Llansilin, Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog and Llangollen. All
> of these parishes were in the in the Ceiriog Valley in the 'old' county
> of Denbighshire. At the local government re-organisation in 1996, the
> boundaries were changed and the Ceiriog Valley (including all of
> Tregeiriog) became part of the County Borough of Wrexham. However,
> Llansilin became part of the county of Powys.
> The Ceiriog is the river that runs through the valley. It rises high up
> in the Berwyn mountains and eventually joins the River Dee near Chirk.
> See: and
> In Wales mining was the most important industry, with three distinct
> coalfields:
> - The north-east coalfield started over the border near Chirk and
> continued through Ruabon and Wrexham, then up through Flintshire right
> to the sea at Point of Ayr);
> - The south-west coalfield covered Carmarthenshire and west
> Glamorganshire);
> - but buy far the biggest was the south-east coalfield, covering the
> valleys of Glamorganshire (including the Rhondda) and Monmouthshire.
> I believe the only deep mine left in Wales today is the Tower Colliery
> at Merthyr in south-east Wales (which was opened in 1805).
> Both England and Scotland had large scale mining industries.
> In England, like Wales, the mining was on a regional basis (determined
> by wherever the coal deposits lay) but mainly in the north and centre of
> the country. The largest mining areas were in the north-east (Durham and
> Northumberland), all of Yorkshire, the north-west (Lancashire, Cheshire
> and Cumberland) and the Midlands (Staffordshire, Derbyshire,
> Nottinghamshire, Worcestershire, Leicestershire) but there was an 'odd'
> outpost in the south-east, just north of Dover in Kent!
> Take a look at the National Coal Mining Museum for England -
> Sadly in 2005, "The UK coal industry currently employs 9,300 people,
> with approximately 6,600 people employed in deep mines and the remainder
> in the opencast sector. The majority of jobs are in England (over 7,000
> employees); Scotland has over 1,200 and Wales about 970." [Department
> for Trade and Industry]
> A mere shadow of its former self :-( .
> Ian
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