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From: "N. Petersen" <>
Subject: Re: [COLSELL] Re: new "cousin"]
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:52:54 -0500
References: <B5ABBF54.49F7%snowants@dtccom.net>


Hi Liz...

Looks like I wrote to the wrong cousin last night! You must be in the
states as your time zone is the same as ours.

The fact that your mother's place of birth matches up with the info I wrote
up last night is very good. There are not that many Colsells in England, so
I think you will find it very simple to get started. If you need to know
how to go about using the Vital Registry, let me know. It's a registry of
births, marriages and deaths for all of England, beginning in 1837, and
documents can be sent off for once they have been found in the index. It's
been years since I have actually purchased any documents from the registry,
however Jana is sending off for some right now, and would know the contacts
and prices. But you can use the indexes at any Family History Center and
then get the information necessary to send off for the documentation. I
figured I had not searched the year 1896 as that is when my grandmother was
born, and I already had her birth certificate.

Tell me if you have a Family History Center nearby, and if you need help
using the Vital Registry.

With love,
Nancy


----- Original Message -----
From: Liz <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [COLSELL] Re: new "cousin"]


Hi Jana,

BINGO!!

First of all, I think you are all wonderful and so good at this. I feel
totally ignorant. I need someone to say "liz, go to this link or write to
this address.....for information."

West Ham, well, I just dug out my birth certificate and there it is,
"mother's place of birth: WEST HAM, England." Don't know if this helps, but
sounds good to me.

So maybe this is the right lead. Number of siblings unimportant as I just
discovered searching my paternal side. Found a lady with identical
information on OUR great-grandparents, except she said there were only 2
sons. I said there were 13....she dug out her old family bible & lo & behold
a tattered page just stuck in it listed full names & birthdates for 13
children!! Now we're trying to discover the cause of the family split.
Children born in a 23 year period, 11 in England, 2 in Brooklyn and all
ended up living in Brooklyn but not knowing each other! (her grandfather
child #1, mine child #12)

Nancy, thank you for your great notes & note taking!! Hello to Jennifer!

It's 11:40 pm here, have to do dishes.

liz

> From: Jana Black <>
> Organization: I know *exactly* what is in *each* of my piles
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> Hi,
>
> This is from my cousin Nancy who actually took legit classes in
researching ;)
> unlike me who flounders along.... I am forwarding it because there is
> a temporary snafu with her correct email address on the list that I have
to
> fix.
>
> Liz, it looks like she may have a lead for you! BTW, Nancy, I learned
today
> that you and Liz have the same number of kidlings and ages aren't that far
> off either ...
>
> onward!
> Jana
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> Dear Jennifer and Jana,
>
> I think I would begin with the vital registry for the birth records in
> England. That's how I found the information for my grandmother and all of
> her siblings.
>
> I just looked at notes I happened to take for grama's family, and there is
a
> notation I made for an "Alfred Thomas" (Colsell, or any of the other
> spellings) in what appears to be the 1st quarter of 1899. The reference
is
> "W. Ham" (District), Volume 4a, pg. 21.
>
> Looking on through the notes (which are by no means complete, since I knew
> exactly who I was looking for at the time...) I also made a notation for
> "Alice" in the 1st quarter of 1901 (I believe), also in the district of W.
> Ham, Vol. 4a, pg. 223, and also a notation for "Edward", district of W.
Ham,
> Vol 4a, pg. 8 in the 1st quarter of 1893.
>
> I didn't happen to see any notations for 1896 (in my notes), so perhaps
that
> might be where your "William" is located. But all of the other looks
good.
> If the dad went by Ted, I can see another son being named Edward.
>
> Jennifer, you can confirm these by ordering fiche or microfilm for the
> quarters cited from any LDS Family History Center. If you are not near a
> center, let me know, and I can do it for you in a few weeks when I am out
> near a center in Utah. Anyway, if these notations are correct, you can
then
> order the certificates from England and using the information listed (it
> should indicate the mother and father, for example) go on to other sources
> to find out additional information about the family.
>
> One thing I have learned about the vital registry is that "any spelling"
is
> possible, and since I did not record how Colsell was spelled in my notes
for
> Alfred Thomas, it may be something like, Cashill, Coleshill, etc. One of
> ours, for example was "Closel".
>
> I have a listing of registration districts (for 1851) that shows "West
Ham".
> In 1851, it is a district in the county of Essex.
>
> Hopes this helps!
>
> A new cousin,
> Nancy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jana Black <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:06 PM
> Subject: new "cousin"
>
>
> Hi Nancy and Jennifer,
>
> I am happy to announce that we have a new "cohort in Colsell" named Liz!
> Liz, Nancy is my first cousin (same Grama, Lily Rose Colsell) and Jennifer
> is
> in Australia.... Liz has just joined our little list and has an aunt in
> England, her grandfather, Alfred, died there in 1957.... She posted to our
> Colsell GenConnect Boards the following:
>
> "Searching for family of Alfred Thomas Colsell b. 1897, brother ,William,
> father: Wilfred (aka TED), Mother: Emily...Family from Harrow????"
>
> Since she has shared that her grandfather had a brother named William and
a
> sister named Alice.... I checked out the IGI (very briefly - we are deck
> building in the back yard....) and found one family in BUCKS with similar
> names.... children of Jonathan and Sophia Colsill of BUCKS (Batch #
109702)
> :
>
> Alice Sophia COLSILL - International Genealogical Index
> Gender: F Christening: 11 Aug 1867 Langley Marish, Buckingham, England
>
> Thomas William COLSILL - International Genealogical Index
> Gender: M Christening: 11 Jun 1871 Langley Marish, Buckingham, England
>
> Matilda Mary Ann COLSILL - International Genealogical Index
> Gender: F Christening: 11 Jun 1871 Langley Marish, Buckingham, England
>
> Obviously, this could be completely unconnected, and it is at least a
> generation early... but the names do match and you know how unoriginal
they
> tended to be in naming....
>
> Jennifer, wasn't Emily a common name for you as well? Nancy, do you have
> ideas for where Liz could begin? Her aunt professes to know very little
> (gee,
> we've heard that before ;]) I felt a bit stumped because her data is
> relatively "new" for genealogy research..... the 1901 Census would be a
> place to
> look, but what else?? We may not get far yet, but at least we are growing
as
> a group, so it will be a matter of time ;)
>
> Cheers!
> Jana
>
>
>
>
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