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From: Liz <>
Subject: Re: [COLSELL] Re: new "cousin"]
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:02:07 -0500
In-Reply-To: <3986E6A8.2130F071@slip.net>


Hold it right there.....

Reeves???? That's my great grandmother in UK maiden name!!!!! ANd I don't
have much on that line...

My Grandmother:
Elizabeth Amelia Holly CRIPPS b. 12-25-1900 who married Alfred Thomas
COLSELL January 1, 1922
(She was one of 8 children . I have names, some dates)

to

Thomas Cripps (welder at Great Western Railway)
m. ??mid 1880s????
Emma Lucy Reeve(s)

who was born to
George Reeve(s) fisherman
m.
Emily


liz


> From: Jana Black <>
> Organization: I know *exactly* what is in *each* of my piles
> Reply-To:
> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:03:04 -0700
> To:
> Subject: Re: [COLSELL] Re: new "cousin"]
> Resent-From:
> Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:33:34 -0700
>
> Hi,
>
> Might as well get the "online how to" addresses to you.... this site has the
> ability to let you email, fax, phone or regular mail for vital
> certificates. Fastest and cheapest is email...... Click on the link to the
> right called "births, marriages and deaths registration" and from there go
> to "certificates in England and Wales." Further down in the text on this page
> is a link with the "Fees" which depend on whether you give them the ONS
> Index reference numbers or not. FYI, what Nancy sent included those references
> numbers "Vol 4a, pg. 8 in the 1st quarter of 1893":
> <http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/default.asp>;
>
> The most important thing to note here is that it is actually *more* efficient
> to order records from where we are than to try to do it in England....
> The FHCs only have the indexes (Britain is very private about letting out this
> kind of data) so one has no way to know what is on an actual
> certificate. The PRO (Public Records Office) also only has the indexes (then
> the actual record book that they make you copies from - they have not
> filmed it and they don't have the facilities to let you see the original as
> they are always working form it). Worse, if you go on a Monday and order
> certificates, they take 4 days for processing and they want to mail you the
> records! There is no such thing as "see before you buy"....
>
> As Nancy mentioned, I just ordered 6 possible certificates for our
> Reeves/Dewhurst great grandmother hoping it will narrow things down before I
> go to
> England this fall. We figure it will cost about $90 for the six records with
> the current exchange rate.... To order, you just print out a copy of the
> form they have online, fill it out and either fax, phone or mail it.... orrrr,
> you can take a chance like I did and email them the info with a credit
> card #. I haven't done this before and was pretty nervous, but I got a reply
> right away and the nice thing is they told me once they had my info, they
> can refer to it again as an "on record account" if I need to order more
> certificates in the future. Since we also have our paternal gg grandmother to
> track, it may come on handy.
>
> Liz, I feel certain you are going to have success here! The hardest thing will
> probably be to get away from the family for a bit of time to accomplish
> it.... believe me, we know! For years Nancy was able to research and I had my
> hands full, now the tables have turned. We figure in a few years we may
> actually both be free to pursue this. Meanwhile, I do what I can, and send her
> what I find. Just having two sets of eyes looking at it has proved to
> be very worthwhile as someone usually will catch something the other missed.
>
> Last of all, here are links for London Batch numbers
> http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/batchnumbers.htm
> http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/nzsoghamilton/london2.htm
> to use on the IGI Search page
> http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchigi.asp?region=3
>
> Good luck!
> Jana
>
> PS.... doing dishes at 11:40 PM - yeah you're family ;)
>
> "N. Petersen" wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz...
>>
>> Looks like I wrote to the wrong cousin last night! You must be in the
>> states as your time zone is the same as ours.
>>
>> The fact that your mother's place of birth matches up with the info I wrote
>> up last night is very good. There are not that many Colsells in England, so
>> I think you will find it very simple to get started. If you need to know
>> how to go about using the Vital Registry, let me know. It's a registry of
>> births, marriages and deaths for all of England, beginning in 1837, and
>> documents can be sent off for once they have been found in the index. It's
>> been years since I have actually purchased any documents from the registry,
>> however Jana is sending off for some right now, and would know the contacts
>> and prices. But you can use the indexes at any Family History Center and
>> then get the information necessary to send off for the documentation. I
>> figured I had not searched the year 1896 as that is when my grandmother was
>> born, and I already had her birth certificate.
>>
>> Tell me if you have a Family History Center nearby, and if you need help
>> using the Vital Registry.
>>
>> With love,
>> Nancy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Liz <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 11:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [COLSELL] Re: new "cousin"]
>>
>> Hi Jana,
>>
>> BINGO!!
>>
>> First of all, I think you are all wonderful and so good at this. I feel
>> totally ignorant. I need someone to say "liz, go to this link or write to
>> this address.....for information."
>>
>> West Ham, well, I just dug out my birth certificate and there it is,
>> "mother's place of birth: WEST HAM, England." Don't know if this helps, but
>> sounds good to me.
>>
>> So maybe this is the right lead. Number of siblings unimportant as I just
>> discovered searching my paternal side. Found a lady with identical
>> information on OUR great-grandparents, except she said there were only 2
>> sons. I said there were 13....she dug out her old family bible & lo & behold
>> a tattered page just stuck in it listed full names & birthdates for 13
>> children!! Now we're trying to discover the cause of the family split.
>> Children born in a 23 year period, 11 in England, 2 in Brooklyn and all
>> ended up living in Brooklyn but not knowing each other! (her grandfather
>> child #1, mine child #12)
>>
>> Nancy, thank you for your great notes & note taking!! Hello to Jennifer!
>>
>> It's 11:40 pm here, have to do dishes.
>>
>> liz
>>
>>> From: Jana Black <>
>>> Organization: I know *exactly* what is in *each* of my piles
>>> Reply-To:
>>> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:46:17 -0700
>>> To:
>>> Subject: [COLSELL] Re: new "cousin"]
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This is from my cousin Nancy who actually took legit classes in
>> researching ;)
>>> unlike me who flounders along.... I am forwarding it because there is
>>> a temporary snafu with her correct email address on the list that I have
>> to
>>> fix.
>>>
>>> Liz, it looks like she may have a lead for you! BTW, Nancy, I learned
>> today
>>> that you and Liz have the same number of kidlings and ages aren't that far
>>> off either ...
>>>
>>> onward!
>>> Jana
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>>> Dear Jennifer and Jana,
>>>
>>> I think I would begin with the vital registry for the birth records in
>>> England. That's how I found the information for my grandmother and all of
>>> her siblings.
>>>
>>> I just looked at notes I happened to take for grama's family, and there is
>> a
>>> notation I made for an "Alfred Thomas" (Colsell, or any of the other
>>> spellings) in what appears to be the 1st quarter of 1899. The reference
>> is
>>> "W. Ham" (District), Volume 4a, pg. 21.
>>>
>>> Looking on through the notes (which are by no means complete, since I knew
>>> exactly who I was looking for at the time...) I also made a notation for
>>> "Alice" in the 1st quarter of 1901 (I believe), also in the district of W.
>>> Ham, Vol. 4a, pg. 223, and also a notation for "Edward", district of W.
>> Ham,
>>> Vol 4a, pg. 8 in the 1st quarter of 1893.
>>>
>>> I didn't happen to see any notations for 1896 (in my notes), so perhaps
>> that
>>> might be where your "William" is located. But all of the other looks
>> good.
>>> If the dad went by Ted, I can see another son being named Edward.
>>>
>>> Jennifer, you can confirm these by ordering fiche or microfilm for the
>>> quarters cited from any LDS Family History Center. If you are not near a
>>> center, let me know, and I can do it for you in a few weeks when I am out
>>> near a center in Utah. Anyway, if these notations are correct, you can
>> then
>>> order the certificates from England and using the information listed (it
>>> should indicate the mother and father, for example) go on to other sources
>>> to find out additional information about the family.
>>>
>>> One thing I have learned about the vital registry is that "any spelling"
>> is
>>> possible, and since I did not record how Colsell was spelled in my notes
>> for
>>> Alfred Thomas, it may be something like, Cashill, Coleshill, etc. One of
>>> ours, for example was "Closel".
>>>
>>> I have a listing of registration districts (for 1851) that shows "West
>> Ham".
>>> In 1851, it is a district in the county of Essex.
>>>
>>> Hopes this helps!
>>>
>>> A new cousin,
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jana Black <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:06 PM
>>> Subject: new "cousin"
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Nancy and Jennifer,
>>>
>>> I am happy to announce that we have a new "cohort in Colsell" named Liz!
>>> Liz, Nancy is my first cousin (same Grama, Lily Rose Colsell) and Jennifer
>>> is
>>> in Australia.... Liz has just joined our little list and has an aunt in
>>> England, her grandfather, Alfred, died there in 1957.... She posted to our
>>> Colsell GenConnect Boards the following:
>>>
>>> "Searching for family of Alfred Thomas Colsell b. 1897, brother ,William,
>>> father: Wilfred (aka TED), Mother: Emily...Family from Harrow????"
>>>
>>> Since she has shared that her grandfather had a brother named William and
>> a
>>> sister named Alice.... I checked out the IGI (very briefly - we are deck
>>> building in the back yard....) and found one family in BUCKS with similar
>>> names.... children of Jonathan and Sophia Colsill of BUCKS (Batch #
>> 109702)
>>> :
>>>
>>> Alice Sophia COLSILL - International Genealogical Index
>>> Gender: F Christening: 11 Aug 1867 Langley Marish, Buckingham, England
>>>
>>> Thomas William COLSILL - International Genealogical Index
>>> Gender: M Christening: 11 Jun 1871 Langley Marish, Buckingham, England
>>>
>>> Matilda Mary Ann COLSILL - International Genealogical Index
>>> Gender: F Christening: 11 Jun 1871 Langley Marish, Buckingham, England
>>>
>>> Obviously, this could be completely unconnected, and it is at least a
>>> generation early... but the names do match and you know how unoriginal
>> they
>>> tended to be in naming....
>>>
>>> Jennifer, wasn't Emily a common name for you as well? Nancy, do you have
>>> ideas for where Liz could begin? Her aunt professes to know very little
>>> (gee,
>>> we've heard that before ;]) I felt a bit stumped because her data is
>>> relatively "new" for genealogy research..... the 1901 Census would be a
>>> place to
>>> look, but what else?? We may not get far yet, but at least we are growing
>> as
>>> a group, so it will be a matter of time ;)
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Jana
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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