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From: "Rowena Gough" <>
Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:41:48 +1100
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Apologies for previous blank email. All the rain here has soaked into my
brain, and my trigger finger.

I wanted to thank John, Bob, David and Pat for their replies. Always
fabulous support on this list.

Kind regards, Rowena

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of John CARBIS
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2011 6:14 AM
To: Cornish GEN
Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell


Good evening Rowena
Mary CARBINES or CARBIS born about 1795; christened 17 April 1795 [IDB/1016]
Penzance, Cornwall; the daughter of Peter CARBINES or CARBIS - Tin miner,
and Frances or Fanny MARTINS
She married David MARTINS on the 12 March 1814 [IDM/973] Towendack parish
church, Cornwall
I have on my marriage database two children Mary Ann MARTINS and James
Carbis MARTINS from the above marriage

all of the above is a part on my Family Index 03carbis, which is an
Australian connection
I trust that the above may be of some small assistance.
Kind regards, John
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> From:
> To:
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:43:39 +1100
> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
> Sorry Bob,
> I can't help you with either of those questions, and yes Carbis is a
likely
> clue. Good luck with the hunting.
> Regards, Rowena
__________________________________________
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Bob Bolitho
> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 2:18 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
> Hi Rowena
> When Thomas Grenfell was baptised on 4 Nov 1820 at Morvah, his father
> was recorded as William Grenfell, tailor. In the 1851 census, William
> Grenfell, tailor, was living at Towednack, aged 59, born Sancreed.
> This rules him out as the husband of Elizabeth White. The William
> Grenfell who married Elizabeth White was baptised on 2 Mar 1783 at St
> Just in Penwith and was buried on 23 Jan 1817 at St Just in Penwith,
> before Thomas was born.
>
> Elizabeth White was baptised on 2 Nov 1789 at St Just. Elizabeth wife
> of William Grenfell, tailor, was born in about 1800. If she married in
> 1809, she would have been only 9. This rules out Elizabeth White as
> the mother of Thomas bp 4 Nov 1820.
>
> This information points to Thomas's parents being William Grenfell and
> Elizabeth Warren who married 7 Jun 1816 at Sancreed.
>
> It appears that Thomas Grenfell and his first wife, Ann Stone, had a
> son Thomas Grenfell born 1844 or 1845 in Zennor. Do you know whether
> this is the Thomas Grenfell who married Mary Jane Uren? Francis Stone
> married Catherine, probably in Towednack. I am looking for a date and
> for Catherine's surname.
>
> Mary Martins is in the 1841 census at Lady Downs, Towedenack, aged 11,
> living with parents David and Mary. I was hoping you could tell me
> Mary's surname and when she married David. The marriage would have
> been before 1817, probably at Towednack. One possibility is that
> Mary's surname was Carbis, as Thomas Grenfell and Mary Ann Martins
> named one of their children Mary Carbis Grenfell.
> Regards
> Bob Bolitho
> ________________________________________________
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rowena Gough" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I havn't gone back far, and perhaps not adding much, but this is what
> I
> have.
>
> Emily Grenfell: No baptism found. 2 FreeBMD births registered in 1851,
> Penzance RD for Emily Grenfell. Her parents were Thomas Grenfell and
> Mary
> Ann Martins, who married 18 Nov 1848, Towednack. Listed in 1871 Census
> with sister Elizabeth, with John Roberts and his family, address
Trevarrack
> House, Gulval: Emily Grenfell 18, domestic servant, born Towednack;
> Elizabeth Grenfell 12, domestic servant, b. Towednack.

> Emily married Richard Pascoe after Banns, 19 Sep 1874, Gulval. Bride
> aged 23, residence Towednack, father Thomas Grenfell, miner. He was a
> witness, along with Mary Jane Pascoe (husband's sister). Groom aged 24,
> residence Gulval Cross, occupation miller, father John Pascoe.
>
> Grenfell:
> Thomas Grenfell bapt. 4 Dec 1820, Morvah, parents William and
> Elizabeth
> Grenfell. The only marriage I've found to an Elizabeth, is between Wm
> Grenfell and Elizabeth White on 8 Apr 1809, St Just in Penwith (OPC.
> Phillimores, IGI).

> Thomas Grenfell was married twice. Thomas' first wife was Ann Stone,
> who he married on 16 Sep 1844, Towednack. Ann Stone's father was Francis
> Stone, labourer. Thomas married Mary Martins at full age, widower,
occupation
> miner, residence Towednack, father noted as William Grenfell, tailor.
> Mary Ann was of full age, single, residence Towednack, father David
> Martins, miner.
> Martins:
> Mary Martins born c.1831 Towednack. No baptism found. Havn't been able
> to locate her in the 1841 Census. The only David Martins marriage in the
> time frame is to Jane Walsh on 30 Sep 1837, Towednack, but no children
with
> them in the 1841 Census. I suspect she was illegitimate.

> Pascoe:
> Richard Pascoe, born 1851 Stithians (FreeBMD: Mar Qtr 1851, Redruth
> RD).
> Parents John Pascoe and Mary Lowry/Lawry, of Ludgvan, were married 6
> Jan 1850, Madron. John Pascoe bapt. 22 Jan 1826, Ludgvan to Richard Pascoe

> and Grace Gillis, of Ludgvan - this Pascoe family from Helston, and
> Sithney. I have this tree back to early Sithney records, and various links
to
> Australia and USA. Happy to field queries on it.
> Mary Lowry bapt. 28 Jul 1827 Gulval, to parents Charles Lawry,
> Gardener, and Mary Mathews (bapt. 1798, Gulval).
> Cheers,
> Rowena
________________________________________
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Bob Bolitho
> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 12:14 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
> Hi Rowena
> Hi Rowena
> Would you mind sharing the Towednack information so that I may update
> my files and help other Grenfell and Pascoe researchers? The Grenfells
> in particular have kept me very busy over the last few months.
> Thanks
> Bob
> OPC St Just and Pendeen________________________________________
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rowena Gough" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
> Yay Bob,
> This is them. Thank you very much. I'll start looking for their
> children
> now. I have the Towednack information, so looking forward in this
> instance.
> Many thanks, and little branch, branching out.
> Regards,
> Rowena
> ____________________________________
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Bob Bolitho
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2011 9:24 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
> Hi Rowena
> Richard PASCOE (parents John and Mary A) d 24 May 1907 Broken Hill,
> New South Wales, Australia bu 26 May 1907 Broken Hill aged 56.
> Emily PASCOE (parents Thomas and Unknown) d 13 Sep 1924 Broken Hill bu
> 14 Sep 1924 Broken Hill aged 73.
> Emily was the daughter of Thomas GRENFELL (bp 4 Dec 1820 Morvah, son
> of William GRENFELL and Elizabeth WARREN) and Mary Ann MARTINS (b
> c1831 Towednack daughter of David MARTINS and Mary ?). Emily was born
> in 1851 at Towednack.
> Someone may be able to fill in the Towednack details for you.
> Regards
> Bob Bolitho______________________________________
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rowena Gough" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:55 AM
> Subject: [CORNISH-GEN] Richard Pascoe & Emily Grenfell
> Dear List
> I've been looking at Richard Pascoe and Emily Grenfell, who married
> 1874
> Penzance RD.
> He was born 1851, Stithians to John Pascoe and Mary Lawry.
> Emily was born c. 1853 Ludgvan.
> The 1881 C. has them in Civil Parish Ludgvan;
> Richard Pascoe, 30, Railway Porter, born Stithiams;
> Emily, wife, 28, b. Ludgvan;
> Emily, dau. 6, b. Gulval;
> John, son 4, b. Gulval;
> Anne, dau. 3, b. Ludgvan;
> William T., son 1, b. Ludgvan.
> I've not been able to find them in the 1891 Census. Could someone
> check 1901, and if possible 1911. I would like to find if they were still
in
> the UK.
> Kind regards,
> Rowena





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