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From: Violet Sunderland <>
Subject: [CON] Re: Sailing Ship Information
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:25:36 -0800
References: <002501c069e7$0b67fca0$c22e2526@richarda>


Hello, Dr. Angwin and all,

I caught this message both on Cornish-L and the Jo Daviess IL list.
Unfortunately, I was dealing with a car repair, my family's Christmas
and the virtual party, and I had misplaced the following passenger list.

> For those who have Cornish relatives, is there any on the list that has has
> information to share on the voyage across the Atlantic, from Cornwall, like a
> diary? My ANGWINs TIPPETTs probably left from Padstow, Cornwall, in 1842 and
> came through Quebec to Kingston, Buffalo, Chicago, Galena.

My KNEEBONE family went from Cornwall or Devon probably in 1842 and were
listed in Galena, Jo Daviess Co. IL in the 1850 census.

> I'm seeking any information about esp. "sailing" ships that immigrants may
> have recorded. And, of course, it would be neat to find someone who's
> relatives sailed to Canada\America in the same year ?..... from the same
> port? ..... or the same ship???

The sister of an in-law found this passenger list for a ship called "The
Orient" and assumed that because there was a John KNEEBONE and an Elizabeth
KNEEBONE aboard, they were "ours". I have some doubts.

According to a researcher who contributes to both TheShipsList-L and
Emigration-Ships-L, there were two ships called "The Orient". Their careers
covered different time periods. Quite a bit is known about the larger one,
but not this smaller, earlier and slower ship.

For credit, this is held by The Detroit Society for Genealogical Research
Magazine, Volume 26, 1962-1963.
----
"SHIP LIST OF THE ORIENT, 19 MAY 1842
Contributed by Lucy Mary Kellogg, Brighton, Michigan

"Ship list ... sworn to this 19th day of May 1842, contains a true and just
account of all the Passengers received on board the 'ship "Orient"' whereof
I am Master, from Falmouth, England. So help me God." [signed] JOHN LEUTY.
This ship list, giving passengers' names, ages and occupations, is in the
records of the Port of New York, at the National Archives in Washington,
D.C."

VINCENT, Elizabeth 30 KASKAT, John 3
Elizabeth 7 Jane 3 months
Sam_l 5 MARTIN, John 35
publican
Mary 2 Mary 36
ROWE, George 48 miner John 13
John 1 Eliza 11
George 17 Wm 7
James 14 Mary 5
KNEEBONE, John 23 miner Elizabeth 3
HOCKING, James 36 farmer Jane 1
James 8 Caroline 2 months
EDWARDS, William 36 miner MARTIN, Robert 25 miner
BASKETT, James 28 ROBBIN, John 39
Mary 26 Jane 36
James 7 Elizabeth 13
Wm. 3 John 11
Rich_d 7 months Wm 9
[?A]BLECOCK, Elizabeth 26 THOMAS, Rich_d
19 Elizabeth 4 TIPPET, Reginald
60
CUNDY, Solomon 29 Hannah 19
Maria 27 Charles 10
Emma 6 WALLIS, James 23
Elizabeth 4 MATHEWS, Rich_d 23
Mary 1 Susan 22
RICHARDS, Tho_s 22 Emma 2
FANNYDE, Tho_s 21 STEPHENS, Sam_l 28 farmer
THOMAS, Richard 30 miner TREWARTHA, Edw_d 25 miner
Mary 4 ---died WILLEY, Edw_d 23 do
Mary 36 BENNETT, George 32 do
Ann 2 BARQUILL, Wm 25 do
Louisa 8 months HOLMAN, John 25 do
OATEY, Peter 35 miner CORY [or Long], John 24 do
Louisa 30 CUNDY, John 25 do
LITTLEWIN, Elizabeth 25 Ann 50
Elizabeth 3 Eliza 11
John 1 ROBERTS, Rich_d 26 miner
LINCOCK, Wm 36 miner ABRAHAM, John 20 miner
Amelia 36 STEPHENS, Edward 30 do
do 14 ANDREWS, Solomon 33 do
Sam_l 11 Grace 33
Wm 9 DAVIS, Sam_l 43 farmer
Thomas 15 do 16
Ann 5 PAUL, John 36 miner
John 2 Eleanor 39
Benjamin 2 Richard 10
(torn) [Might be Thomas Ford] Jane 4
Elizabeth 47 Harriette 1
Richard 13 EDWARDS, Richard 53 miner
Thomas 11 Ann 53
Wm 10 Mary 19
Francis 6 Rich_d 17
KASKAT, John 30 miner Grace 14
Jane 30 Edwin 11
EDWARDS, Thomas 10 RANDALL, Mary 30
STEPHENS, Ann 28 HANCOCK, John 42 miner
FOXALL, William** 33 carpenter Elizabeth 41
GOLDSWORTHY, Rich_d 48 farmer John 12
Johanna 48 Rich_d 10
Mary 22 Sam_l 8
Jane 20 Wm 6
Elizabeth 18 Thomas 5
Rich_d 14 Elizabeth 21
Tho_s 11 THOMAS, Wm 18 miner
Harritt 8 Ann 21
Caroline 4 GEORGE, Sam_l 18 miner
RUSSELL, James 24 miner TONKIN, Caroline 15
RICHARDS, Richard 22 WILLIAMS, John 36 miner
Mary 22 Elizabeth 32
HARRIS, James 11 Elizabeth 7
GOLDSWORTHY, John 22 miner Tho_s 6
MOYLE, Thomas* 29 Eliza 3
Susan 34 IVY[?HAY], John 33 farmer
John 1 TARLANE, Tho_s 20 miner
HODGE, James 20 miner HANY[?], James 47 miner
GEORGE, William* 30 miner Tamlane 49
Jane* 30 Mary Ann 11
Thomas* 1 James 8
ROBERTS, James 24 miner Mathias 6
Henry 48 miner DALE, John 25 miner
Catharine 25 Wm 24 miner
Phillippa 20 Tho_s 14
Sam_l 18 JAMES, Anna Maria** 34
Joseph 15 FOXALL, Ann** 60
Grace 13 JAMES, Tho_s** 3
Elizabeth 11 John** 1
Tho_s 11 RULE, Jane 11
John 8 HICKS, Henry 24
James 3 Elizabeth 20
JONES[?JOSE] William 20 miner DAVIS, Charles 40 miner
ROBERTS, James 25 miner ROWE, Wm 27 miner
John 22 miner KNEEBONE, Elizabeth 20
COOD[?COAD] Wm 28 miner PAINTER, Rich_d 21 farmer
COOD, Henry 30 miner HICKS, Elizabeth 24
RANDALL, Jeremiah 32 miner CUNDY, Solomon born on passage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
* In "The American Descendants of John Moyle, Farrier.....this issue of
DSGR Magazine, p. 59
** Same as above, p. 60
__________________________________________________________________________

There are no ANGWIN passengers but there is one TIPPETT family. I hope
they belong to you, Dr. Angwin.

I wonder if anyone has a clue whether the date was that of departure from
Falmouth, or arrival in New York. If 19 May 1842 is the departure date, it
almost surely eliminates John and Elizabeth KNEEBONE as being my ancestors
because they had a second son born to them in July of that year in Jo
Daviess Co IL and two months probably wouldn't have been long enough for
a small ship to make the passage in time for them to be in Illinois that
early. Their oldest son, John KNEEBONE, would have been two years old on
this passage and isn't listed, and this John and Elizabeth aren't together
as husband and wife as the others appear to be. For all I know, these two
could be brother and sister or cousins. Their ages aren't in sync with
mine on the 1850 census, but that isn't hard evidence. Age discrepancies
certainly are nothing new.

It's interesting to note that some given names are spelled in full and
others are abbreviated with the last letter above an underscore. Also
the KASKAT children are separate from their parents, and there are others
who don't appear to be with the family they should belong to. Some wives
and children apparently were sent for by husbands who had made the passage
earlier, as most of us are acquainted with. I would wager that
"[?A]BLECOCK"
is TREBLECOCK.

Otherwise, I'm posting the list for the benefit of everyone who may luck
out and find a missing family or individual. If any of you recognize a
family, I would be interested in learning where they went and by what
route.
Perhaps some traveled together to the same destination.

I would welcome any comments or further information about my KNEEBONE
ancestors, but have nothing further about anyone on this passenger list.

Best Regards,

Violet Sunderland
Woodburn Oregon USA
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