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From: "sylvia meeker" <>
Subject: Re: [CON] Re: Sailing Ship Information
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:50:59 -0800
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Hi Violet,
I'm a descendant of John Moyle, Farrier, mentioned in this posting.
What is the DSGR magazine that has the article about descendants of
John? -I know my Moyle Family Website folks will want to read that. Is it a
current article or is it the one published in1962? We all know about the
Orient story - a creaky, leaky old ship - that Thomas MOYLE(brother of my
greatgreatgrandfather) and his wife Susan FOXWELL came over on. (WOOPS!! -
just saw the answer: Detroit Society for Genealogical Research).
The Jane George listed on the Orient is also a MOYLE, sister of
Thomas and William Moyle of Breage/Helston area. (John, the Farrier, had 13
children). I think the several FOXALLs listed here are really FOXWELLs.
Anyway, I'm looking for the name of the ship that my
greatgrandfather came on, too. He was William(son of William, deceased)
Moyle, came to New York by sailing ship (then to Hazel Green, Wisconsin) in
1845. He came with his mother and step-father (Jane Williams Moyle CARDEW
and Henry CARDEWof Breage) and also sister Rebecca Moyle who later married
an Englishman (perhaps a Cornishman) named RICHARDS. I am searching for
more information about these Cardews and Richards.
My greatgrandfather's comments on the trip from Cornwall to
Wisconsin were brief. They were five weeks and three days crossing the
ocean, then they came from New York to Chicago by a canal ( I assume they
went up the Hudson and then west by the Erie Canal), and from Chicago to
Hazel Green, Grant Co., Wisconsin in a covered wagon.
There are living descendants of the Thomas and Susan Foxwell Moyle
family who have a copy of the Diary that was kept of the Orient voyage. That
diary might have dates that would show you when they left Cornwall and when
they arrived in New York. Try the Moyle page on GenForum. Also try these
Moyle/Foxwell descendants - Lorna Dunklee mailto: and
Carolyn Lean Kline mailto:
Sylvia Meeker - Researching
Moyle/Cardew/Richards/Williams/Rapson/Pooley/Pryor/Ingram/Johns and more

----- Original Message -----
From: Violet Sunderland <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 3:25 AM
Subject: [CON] Re: Sailing Ship Information


> Hello, Dr. Angwin and all,
>
> I caught this message both on Cornish-L and the Jo Daviess IL list.
> Unfortunately, I was dealing with a car repair, my family's Christmas
> and the virtual party, and I had misplaced the following passenger list.
>
> > For those who have Cornish relatives, is there any on the list that has
has
> > information to share on the voyage across the Atlantic, from Cornwall,
like a
> > diary? My ANGWINs TIPPETTs probably left from Padstow, Cornwall, in
1842 and
> > came through Quebec to Kingston, Buffalo, Chicago, Galena.
>
> My KNEEBONE family went from Cornwall or Devon probably in 1842 and were
> listed in Galena, Jo Daviess Co. IL in the 1850 census.
>
> > I'm seeking any information about esp. "sailing" ships that immigrants
may
> > have recorded. And, of course, it would be neat to find someone who's
> > relatives sailed to Canada\America in the same year ?..... from the
same
> > port? ..... or the same ship???
>
> The sister of an in-law found this passenger list for a ship called "The
> Orient" and assumed that because there was a John KNEEBONE and an
Elizabeth
> KNEEBONE aboard, they were "ours". I have some doubts.
>
> According to a researcher who contributes to both TheShipsList-L and
> Emigration-Ships-L, there were two ships called "The Orient". Their
careers
> covered different time periods. Quite a bit is known about the larger one,
> but not this smaller, earlier and slower ship.
>
> For credit, this is held by The Detroit Society for Genealogical Research
> Magazine, Volume 26, 1962-1963.
> ----
> "SHIP LIST OF THE ORIENT, 19 MAY 1842
> Contributed by Lucy Mary Kellogg, Brighton, Michigan
>
> "Ship list ... sworn to this 19th day of May 1842, contains a true and
just
> account of all the Passengers received on board the 'ship "Orient"'
whereof
> I am Master, from Falmouth, England. So help me God." [signed] JOHN LEUTY.
> This ship list, giving passengers' names, ages and occupations, is in the
> records of the Port of New York, at the National Archives in Washington,
> D.C."
>
> VINCENT, Elizabeth 30 KASKAT, John 3
> Elizabeth 7 Jane 3 months
> Sam_l 5 MARTIN, John 35
> publican
> Mary 2 Mary 36
> ROWE, George 48 miner John 13
> John 1 Eliza 11
> George 17 Wm 7
> James 14 Mary 5
> KNEEBONE, John 23 miner Elizabeth 3
> HOCKING, James 36 farmer Jane 1
> James 8 Caroline 2
months
> EDWARDS, William 36 miner MARTIN, Robert 25 miner
> BASKETT, James 28 ROBBIN, John 39
> Mary 26 Jane 36
> James 7 Elizabeth 13
> Wm. 3 John 11
> Rich_d 7 months Wm 9
> [?A]BLECOCK, Elizabeth 26 THOMAS, Rich_d
> 19 Elizabeth 4 TIPPET, Reginald
> 60
> CUNDY, Solomon 29 Hannah 19
> Maria 27 Charles 10
> Emma 6 WALLIS, James 23
> Elizabeth 4 MATHEWS, Rich_d 23
> Mary 1 Susan 22
> RICHARDS, Tho_s 22 Emma 2
> FANNYDE, Tho_s 21 STEPHENS, Sam_l 28 farmer
> THOMAS, Richard 30 miner TREWARTHA, Edw_d 25 miner
> Mary 4 ---died WILLEY, Edw_d 23 do
> Mary 36 BENNETT, George 32 do
> Ann 2 BARQUILL, Wm 25 do
> Louisa 8 months HOLMAN, John 25 do
> OATEY, Peter 35 miner CORY [or Long], John 24 do
> Louisa 30 CUNDY, John 25 do
> LITTLEWIN, Elizabeth 25 Ann 50
> Elizabeth 3 Eliza 11
> John 1 ROBERTS, Rich_d 26 miner
> LINCOCK, Wm 36 miner ABRAHAM, John 20 miner
> Amelia 36 STEPHENS, Edward 30 do
> do 14 ANDREWS, Solomon 33 do
> Sam_l 11 Grace 33
> Wm 9 DAVIS, Sam_l 43 farmer
> Thomas 15 do 16
> Ann 5 PAUL, John 36 miner
> John 2 Eleanor 39
> Benjamin 2 Richard 10
> (torn) [Might be Thomas Ford] Jane 4
> Elizabeth 47 Harriette 1
> Richard 13 EDWARDS, Richard 53 miner
> Thomas 11 Ann 53
> Wm 10 Mary 19
> Francis 6 Rich_d 17
> KASKAT, John 30 miner Grace 14
> Jane 30 Edwin 11
> EDWARDS, Thomas 10 RANDALL, Mary 30
> STEPHENS, Ann 28 HANCOCK, John 42 miner
> FOXALL, William** 33 carpenter Elizabeth 41
> GOLDSWORTHY, Rich_d 48 farmer John 12
> Johanna 48 Rich_d 10
> Mary 22 Sam_l 8
> Jane 20 Wm 6
> Elizabeth 18 Thomas 5
> Rich_d 14 Elizabeth 21
> Tho_s 11 THOMAS, Wm 18 miner
> Harritt 8 Ann 21
> Caroline 4 GEORGE, Sam_l 18 miner
> RUSSELL, James 24 miner TONKIN, Caroline 15
> RICHARDS, Richard 22 WILLIAMS, John 36 miner
> Mary 22 Elizabeth 32
> HARRIS, James 11 Elizabeth 7
> GOLDSWORTHY, John 22 miner Tho_s 6
> MOYLE, Thomas* 29 Eliza 3
> Susan 34 IVY[?HAY], John 33 farmer
> John 1 TARLANE, Tho_s 20 miner
> HODGE, James 20 miner HANY[?], James 47 miner
> GEORGE, William* 30 miner Tamlane 49
> Jane* 30 Mary Ann 11
> Thomas* 1 James 8
> ROBERTS, James 24 miner Mathias 6
> Henry 48 miner DALE, John 25 miner
> Catharine 25 Wm 24 miner
> Phillippa 20 Tho_s 14
> Sam_l 18 JAMES, Anna Maria** 34
> Joseph 15 FOXALL, Ann** 60
> Grace 13 JAMES, Tho_s** 3
> Elizabeth 11 John** 1
> Tho_s 11 RULE, Jane 11
> John 8 HICKS, Henry 24
> James 3 Elizabeth 20
> JONES[?JOSE] William 20 miner DAVIS, Charles 40 miner
> ROBERTS, James 25 miner ROWE, Wm 27 miner
> John 22 miner KNEEBONE, Elizabeth 20
> COOD[?COAD] Wm 28 miner PAINTER, Rich_d 21 farmer
> COOD, Henry 30 miner HICKS, Elizabeth 24
> RANDALL, Jeremiah 32 miner CUNDY, Solomon born on
passage
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-
> * In "The American Descendants of John Moyle, Farrier.....this issue of
> DSGR Magazine, p. 59
> ** Same as above, p. 60
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> There are no ANGWIN passengers but there is one TIPPETT family. I hope
> they belong to you, Dr. Angwin.
>
> I wonder if anyone has a clue whether the date was that of departure from
> Falmouth, or arrival in New York. If 19 May 1842 is the departure date, it
> almost surely eliminates John and Elizabeth KNEEBONE as being my ancestors
> because they had a second son born to them in July of that year in Jo
> Daviess Co IL and two months probably wouldn't have been long enough for
> a small ship to make the passage in time for them to be in Illinois that
> early. Their oldest son, John KNEEBONE, would have been two years old on
> this passage and isn't listed, and this John and Elizabeth aren't together
> as husband and wife as the others appear to be. For all I know, these two
> could be brother and sister or cousins. Their ages aren't in sync with
> mine on the 1850 census, but that isn't hard evidence. Age discrepancies
> certainly are nothing new.
>
> It's interesting to note that some given names are spelled in full and
> others are abbreviated with the last letter above an underscore. Also
> the KASKAT children are separate from their parents, and there are others
> who don't appear to be with the family they should belong to. Some wives
> and children apparently were sent for by husbands who had made the passage
> earlier, as most of us are acquainted with. I would wager that
> "[?A]BLECOCK"
> is TREBLECOCK.
>
> Otherwise, I'm posting the list for the benefit of everyone who may luck
> out and find a missing family or individual. If any of you recognize a
> family, I would be interested in learning where they went and by what
> route.
> Perhaps some traveled together to the same destination.
>
> I would welcome any comments or further information about my KNEEBONE
> ancestors, but have nothing further about anyone on this passenger list.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Violet Sunderland
> Woodburn Oregon USA
> mailto:
>
>
>



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