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From: Ye|land <>
Subject: Re: [CON] Cornish Language and King Arthur
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:04:28 -0900
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It may refer to Coel Hen.
Coel (also spelled as Cole and Coll) Hen (meaning "the old") is most
commonly remembered as "Old King Cole" in that famous nursery rhyme.
Coel lived around the time that Rome pulled out of Britain. Many believe
that Coel may have actually been a Roman "Duces Brittanniarum" with his
headquarters a Eburucum. This Coel is Not the same person as Coel
Godhebog (different king, different kingdom). After Coel's death in 420,
his northern kingdom was divided between two of his sons, Ceneu and
Gorbanian.

What makes me think that this is the Coel who is reffered to in the
inscription as "Coll" is that almost all Brythonic kingdoms tried to
draw some kind of connection between him and themselves.

As for the "father of a descendent of," this often referrs to ancestry
of the mother of the mentioned descendant. By the way, this doesn't
always mean that the women were looked down upon (many of the "barbaric"
pagan cultures of the day gave women power and equal footings in many
things... examples can be provided).

However, I think it was was Arthur's mother and not Gwenhwyfar who was
claimed to be descended from Coel Hen. But I can't find my notes at the
moment and its been a few years since I've looked at that particular
detail.

There are other thinks I like to mention at the moment, but I don't have
the time at this second to elaborate.

A final note to clarify an above reference : Eburucum is also known as
Cair Hebrauc, Eborokon, Colonia Eboracensium, Eofer-wic, Yorvik, and now
as York.

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