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From: " Henwood Family Tree" <>
Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, Jan 28 1842 NEWS
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:01:56 -0000
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My understanding is that the Charter setting up the Duchy of Cornwall in1337
stipulated that only the first-born son of the monarch could be duke of
Cornwall - thus Prince Charles became Duke on the day the present Queen
succeeded her father. But what would be the situation if Prince Charles
died before the Queen?
This did happen in 1751 when Frederick Louis, Prince of Wales and Duke of
Cornwall, died before his father George II. In the book "Duchy of Cornwall"
published in 1987 Frederick's son who later became George III is not listed
among the Dukes of Cornwall. This points to Prince William of Wales not
succeeding to the Dukedom if his father died before the Queen. The Title
"Prince of Wales" is another matter since its creation is at the discretion
of the Sovereign - the Queen after an appropriate interval could appoint
Prince William, her new heir, "Prince of Wales". Re titles for Prince
William of Wales - precedence seems to suggest that a Royal Dukedom could be
created for him - possibly on his marriage. Any children he will have will
be called Prince/Princess ----- of ------
(Prince William's title).

The change in succession - an elder daughter succeeding before a younger son
does get raised whenever there is possibility of the situation occurring
and then gets shelved - I have memories of it being raised just before the
birth of Prince Charles and of Prince William. The Kingdom of Denmark did
this a few years ago. If Parliament did consider changing the rules it
would mean the other countries of which the British Sovereign is Head of
State (Canada, Australia, New Zealand and 14 other nations) would have to
agree.

David Henwood

----- Original Message -----
From: "cpolglase" <>
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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, Jan 28 1842 NEWS


> I, too have heard that the first-born son of the monarch is the Duke of
> Cornwall at birth, and that it is optional if he is ever made Prince of
> Wales (altho so far the batting average has been pretty good). An heir to
> the throne could, presumably die before becoming Prince of Wales and then
> (again preumably) a younger brother (aka "the spare") could be made such.
> Now that we've brought all this up, what happens if the Prince of Wales
> dies
> before becoming King? Does his son moveup a notch? Which would mean he'd
> become Duke of Cornwall-tho-not-from-birth. It is not inconceivable that
> Prince William could have a son while the Queen and Prince Charles are
> still
> alive. What would be the title of said child? I'm sure there is a plan
> for
> such a contingency. Also, what would it take for the sucession to be
> changed
> so an elder daughter would suceed to the throne before a younger son? Has
> anyone ever thought about that? Why should a son become king if he has an
> older sister?
> Just wondering.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:]On Behalf Of Albert Jenkin
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:41 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [CORNISH] West Briton, Jan 28 1842 NEWS
>
>
> Questiion - It is my understanding that the the heir to the throne
> becomes
> Duke of Cornwall at birth, and becomes Prince of Wales at being invested
> (?)
> as Prince upon reaching maturity, with appropriate ceremony which is
> ignored
> by most Cymreig. But the news items here refer to the baptism of the
> "Prince of Wales" and Duke of Cornwall. Have the rules changed at some
> point? Correct me, someone, if I'm off the mark here.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Subject: [CORNISH] West Briton, Jan 28 1842 NEWS
>
>
> <snip>
>> Penryn - The congratulatory addresses from the minister and congregation
>> of New-street Chapel, Penryn, to the Queen, Prince Albert, and the
>> Duchess
>> of Kent, (?) on the birth of the Prince of Wales, have been acknowledged
>> by letters addressed to the Rev. Dr. COPE, from Sir J. B. Graham, Bart.,
>> G.E. Anson, Esq., and Col. Cowper. The baptismal day of the Prince of
>> Wales, was observed by many of the inhabitants dining together at the
>> King's Arms. A party of nearly sixty persons, enjoyed themselves in the
>> vestry of New-street Chapel, by partaking of the "cup that cheers, but
>> not
>> inebriates." Dr. COPE presided, and delivered appropriate addresses,
>> which were interspersed by some interesting and entertaining anecdotes.
>>
> <snip>
>
>> Falmouth - The christening of (?) the Prince of Wales and Duke of
>> Cornwall was celebrated in this town, on Tuesday, with every mark and
>> manifestation of loyalty. Early in the morning, the amateur band
>> promenaded the streets, playing national airs. The Consular
>> establishments of the Messrs. FOX, and the Messrs. BROAD, the
>> Custom-house, the Excise and other public offices, were decorated with
>> banners, as were also the residences of several of the inhabitants. The
>> merchant shipping in the harbour were variously adorned, several from
>> stem
>> to stern with the flags of all nations, others with a burgee and the
>> British ensign, and not a few with a single union jack, but each sports
>> its best. Neither the "Astrea" nor the packets (from some inadvertence
>> not made public) hoisted their colours or fired any salute. The
>> principal
>> public act in celebration of the day was the distribution of some
>> thousands of loaves of bread to the poor, a seasonable benevolence likely
>> to be long remembered!
>> ; and it was pleasant to witness the grateful manner in which they were
>> received. The tradesmen closed their shops early in the evening, in
>> order
>> to meet several parties which were given to celebrate the event, and many
>> a bumper was drunk to the health of the Prince of Wales. The Rev. W.
>> John
>> COOPE, the rector, gave a dinner to the teachers of the National Sunday
>> School, in honor of the occasion, at his house on Summer-lands.
>>
>> Bodmin - Perhaps in no town in the county did the day of the Prince's (
>> Prince, yes, but Prince of Wales?) christening bring together a greater
>> number of liege subjects than assembled at Bodmin, on Tuesday last. At
>> an
>> early hour, the streets were crowded with the yeomen of the neighbourhood
>> and their fair relatives, and there was scarcely an Inn in the town which
>> did not exhibit a bounteous board when the hour arrived. A large party
>> dined at Oliver's Hotel, at which John HOOPER, Esq., resided, and did
>> honor to the occasion. At Mr. GATTY's, Mark GUY, Esq., took the chair,
>> and the afternoon was spent with the utmost hilarity. The High Sheriff,
>> with his accustomed liberality, gave a handsome entertainment to the
>> inmates of the county prison. The bells rang merrily during the morning,
>> and flags were suspended from the windows at the western end of town. It
>> was pleasing to see the Mayor join cordially in these proceedings. A
>> band
>> of music was stationed at his Worship's door, which enlivened the scene
>> by
>> playi!
>> ng appropriate tunes during the evening.
>>
>>
>> RIPE STRAWBERRIES
>> On the 28th ultimo, two fine strawberries were picked in the open garden
>> of Mr. LAITY, of Trevose, in Mawnan.
>> ...................................................
> <snip>
> 'ere, now, only two? Not much of a crop, I'd say.
>
> Albert Jenkin
>
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