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From: "Couch, Robert H. " <>
Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch 1800 Greenville SC
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:41:44 -0600


Ellen,

I would just love to see the will of your John Couch from VA. There are so
many John Couches floating around VA, KY, NC, SC, and Al that they have most
of us confused. It your John had 16 and possibly 14 by another marriage no
wonder we are confused. Probably all named a son John, Thomas, James and
William.

Look forward to hearing further from you with the will. Thanks!

Robert H. Couch
----------
>From: "emcht" <>
>To:
>Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch 1800 Greenville SC
>Date: Tue, Aug 5, 2003, 8:44 AM
>

>Robert when you get into the Buckingham Couch line, you are talking about my
>people. Will help you if I can. There is a marriage between Couch and
>Nunally. The early work on this line was done by Bev Blum and she is a
>great researcher. ellen
>John Couch (Jr) born 8 Jul 1773, Jamestown VA, died 13 Mar 1840 Hopkins
>County KY. Father of 15 known children and possibly 17. Only Allen Howard
>Couch is verified from first marriage to Ann but have read of two others;
>second marriage produced 14 children of whom one was my greatgrandfather.
>One characteristics that I found among this line was the education of
>females. Rather off for that time in history. They had slaves and my great
>grandfather who is buried in Webster county MO had a Nanny who remained with
>him after the Civil War. She is buried in the cemetery with him and several
>of his children. To quote her as told by the eldest daughter of Orrel, "You
>can't take care of him properly and cook and I am not leaving him." Sounds
>odd doesn't it.
>Let me hear if you want a copy of the Will of John Couch Jr. Have it on my
>computer. ellen
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Couch, Robert H. " <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch 1800 Greenville SC
>
>
>Great,
>
>Right now our plans are not set. But, we shall attempt to get away sometime
>about August 18 and stay gone until about Aug 28. Then, we have to rush
>back home to watch our Auburn Tigers meet Southern Cal on the 31st.
>
>It would be great to see you and do a little research. I shall try and look
>at Wednesday Aug 20 and 27th. My bride of some 42 years wants to go to the
>NC mountains so you may guess I will have to take the leftovers. Take care
>and I shall let you know as soon as our plans are set. This is just Great!
>
>I am sending along a copy of some records Boyce sent me a few weeks ago.
>They interest me since they include the Buckingham County Couches. A branch
>from Buckingham goes to Hopkinsville Kentucky and Rachel Couch Nunally (who
>descends from James Bartlett Couch of Buckingham Co, VA) actually moves to
>Madison County, Alabaam. Wonder if she knew some other Couches there in
>1822 when she arrived.
>
>Take a look:
>
>Bob, I think this may explain the John Couch who went to Kentucky that
>Bill Couch was referring to. Also a Couch/Patterson connection. Some
>first names I haven't heard before, too. Boyce
>
>
>
>James Bartlett Couch & Ann Anderson
>[ Home ] [ Up ] [ Thomas Anderson & Sarah Howard ]
>
>
>
>
>
>Buckingham County, Virginia Sueveyonâs Platt Book 1762-1858 Grudsett
>975.5623 G
>
>p.13 page 42
>
>JAMES COUCH; November 13, 1782; 421 ac.; branches Fluvanna and rock
>Island Creek; joining John Thomas, Daniel Puckett, Beverly Low and
>COUCHâs own lands.
>
>p.14 page 48
>
>George Tapscott; April 16, 1784; 510 ac.; each side Howardâs Road;
>joining Peter Bondurant, Thomas Moss (mulatto) JAMES COUCH and Charles
>Colthee.
>
>p.20 page 71
>
>JAMES COUCH; date?: 150 ac.; on some of waters of Rock Island Creek
>joining Daniel Pucket, Harden Perkins, and William Howard.
>
>p.26 page 94
>
>Thomas Cobbs (J.R,) 717 ac. On each side Rock Island Creek joining
>Briant, JAMES COUCH, Pucketts, Thomas Carter and Capt. Thomas Anderson
>December 9, 1795; Mr. Howard and Vacant land adjoining; Warrant sent
>with works. Exchange: Warrant granted to Joshua Gibson for number 481
>and dated October 20, 1792. Warrant granted to Jno Davidson for 300 ac.
>Number 482 and date October 27, 1792.
>
>John Falwell; 100 ac; joining JAMES COUCH, Darbe Bondurant and Joseph
>Cunningham and Mrs. Tapscott. December 11, 1795. Warrant sent with
>works; warrant granted to Charles Cottrell the 11th June 1783 for 1309 ¸
>ac. Number 16,763.
>
>Nathaniel Maxey; January 2, 1796; 300 ac.; joining COUCH, Walker and
>widow Gilliam; Warrant granted to Mary Maxey the 10th of September 1782
>for 1075 ac. Number 14,167; on a branch of Holladay River.
>
>p.37 page 127
>
>David Bondurant; January 27, 1801; 21 ac; joining lines of JAMES BARTLET
>COUCH, Ann Moss (mulatto) and Tapscott; by virtue of Robert Craigs ö
>Office Treasury War:.
>
>p.38 page 130
>
>Thomas Anderson decd; 200 acres on east side of Rock Island Creek
>surveyed for Robert Revis, Nathl Anderson, and John Harris exors of
>Thomas Anderson decd for benefit of the devisees of Thomas Anderson
>decd. Adjoining John Briant, Thomas Cobbs, Price Perkins and JAS COUCH.
>
>p.51 page 174
>
>Legatees of Thos. Cobbs decâd ; February 13, 1810, 630 ac.; each side of
>two forks Rock Island Creek belonging to legatees of Thomas Cobbs decd;
>joining Samuel Birks line; Briant, Colo. Wilson , Cary Harrison, JAMES
>COUCH, and Thomas Carter; legatees not named.
>
>p.52 page 178
>
>William Slanton; 150 ac.; 19 June 1810; joining line of John Staples,
>James Slaton, Jr., Charles Slaton, Capt John Couch, JAMES COUCH, William
>Slatonâs own lines; on Howard'â Road and Warren Road; a branch shown.
>
>----------
>
>Buckingham Land Tax Summaries & Implied Deeds 1782-1814 Vol 1 975.5623.W
>
>p.80 Couch, James.
>
>1782 to 1814. Bought: 1795 - 100 AC from John Thomas 1797 - 50 AC from
>Reuben Amos. 1809 - 148 AC from William Staton. 1809 - 100 AC from JAMES
>B. COUCH 1813/14 Location: residence on James River (20N)
>
>COUCH, JAMES BARTLETT.
>
>1802 to 1807. Deceased/Estate: 1809 to 1814. Bought 1804 - 100 AC from
>?JAMES ?COUCH, 508 AC from A. Lewâd (or ?H. ?Duâd), 15 AC from John L.
>(?S.) Anderson (in 1807, says his exor. Sold it). 1807 - 430 AC from
>Maria G. Anderson. Sold 1809 - 100 AC to James Couch. 1813/1814
>Location: estate on James River, residence of his widow in 1813; in
>1814, the residence stated to be on Rock Island Creek (16N), with 3
>other parcels on James River (20N).
>
>----------
>
>Genealogical Records of Buckingham County, Virginia 975.5623W
>
>p.32-3 1800 Tax List
>
>The first number after each name indicates the white male tithables. The
>second number shows the number of horses owned. The third and forth
>numbers indicate the number of negro tithables, and the number of
>negroes between the ages of 12 and 16.
>
>COUCH, JAS. BARTLETT 1-1-6-0
>
>Couch, John, Jr 1-2-4-1
>
>Couch, Daniel 1-7-7-1
>
>Couch, James (Jesse C.) 2-1-11-0
>
>Couch, John, Capt. 1-6-11-1
>
>----------
>
>Magazine of VA Genealogy & History on the Reconstruction of the Anderson
>Family of Buckingham Co., VA, by Elizabeth Shown Mills.
>
>THE COUCH FAMILY OF BUCKINGHAM CO., VIRGINIA
>
>Al. JAMES BARTLETT COUCH, d. 1809 m. ANN ANDERSON, daughter of Thomas
>Anderson and Sarah Howard Anderson. He received 508a @14sh 9p. from the
>estate of her father, Thomas Anderson, an approximately equal share [by
>monetary value] with each of the heirs.
>
>After the death of JAMES, his wife ANN m. #2 Jesse E. Couch, also a
>brother of JAMES' and had issue, 3 young sons under the age of 10 in the
>1817 Tax records, Edward and William D. and another who evidently died
>young. Ann died by 1820.
>
>Children of JAMES BARTLETT COUCH and his wife ANN ANDERSON COUCH:
>
>B1. Edward Couch m. Sarah Smith Anderson Winfrey as her #2 husband.
>He d. c1816. Sarah had m. c1794, #1 Samuel Winfrey and they had Sarah,
>who m. Eli Ballowe; Samuel Winfrey, Jr.; Thomas Winfrey; probably Mariah
>who m. Marshall J. Crouch: Eliza Winfrey: and John Winfrey. Husband #3
>was Thomas Patteson. (Box 1, Folder: 1813, 1814, 1815, 1818, Personal
>Papers File #12195: Patteson Family Papers, Virginia Archives. Also,
>check folder 1824 for Thomas Patteson & Sarah S. Couch, for George
>Booker vs. Marshall J. Couch Debt.)
>
>B2. Marshall J. Couch m. a daughter of Samuel & Sarah Anderson
>Winfrey, probably Mariah A., sister to Sarah Winfrey.
>
>B3. Daniel Couch d. ca 1816 {in 1816 John S. Anderson, William
>Anderson and Marshall J. Couch, were appointed commissioners to divide
>the estate of Marshall's brother, Daniel Couch in Bedford Co. [Bedford
>Co., Circuit Court Will Book 4, p229.]
>
>B4. Mary "Polly" Couch b. 1790 m William Anderson 22 Feb 1807
>
>B5. John Couch [called Jr., until his Uncle, Joh, Sr. died about
>1815] m Mary "Polly" Anderson, dau Thomas Anderson.
>
>B6 William D. [abney?] Couch m. Jane? They lived next door to the
>Samuel Burks family. By 1850 Wm D. and Jane had removed to Botetourt Co.
>where they shared their home with apparently, twin sisters, Elizabeth
>and Mary Burks, b. 1818. Twins were also born to this couple, one of
>them was named "Dolly".
>
>B7. Rachel Couch b. c. 1772 m. c1790 [Daniel] Arthur Nunnally, b.
>c1765 d1812 in Buckingham Co. [Arthur head of own household that year].
>Rachel and both sons moved to Madison Co., AL by 1822 and she m #2
>Samuel Allen in 1823.
>
>C1. John C. Nunnally [named for Arthur's adopted father]
>
>C2. James Bartlett Nunnally [obviously for Rachel's dad]
>
>C3. Nancy Jane Nunnally. [Nanny or Nancy were in those days
>nicknames or "pet" names for Ann. Each of Rachel's parents were given a
>namesake.
>
>B8. [possible] Dolly - - -[Couch?] who was the second wife of Thomas
>Anderson m before 1805. She m. #2 Samuel Burks
>
>A2.John Courch Sr. (The 1810 Census and all prior tax rolls back to
>17822, indicate the existance of only two adult Couch males in the
>county of adequate age to be the father of Edward and Marshall J. Couch:
>Captain James Bartlett Couch and Captain John Couch [Sr.] Of these two,
>in 1810 John had no young and single males or females in his household,
>while James had two males 16-25. One was Marshall J. Couch, a proven son
>of James, therefore the other must have been Edward.)
>
>One of John's daughter married John Patteson, and one m. Thomas Tindall,
>according to John's will. John, the most dominant figure of the family
>and possibly the eldest m. an unnamed daughter of Thomas Anderson. She
>died very soon and her sister, Mary became John's #2 wife. John d. c1815
>[indicated by absence on 1815 Tax Rolls]. He served as administrator of
>the estate of his brother, Daniel and in the same capacity for brothers
>James Bartlett, and Marshall J. He also took over the administration of
>his father's navigation business. John moved to Hopkins Co., KY about
>1834 and appointed Curtis C. Nunnally of Buckingham To manage his
>affairs. John died in 1839.
>
>The will of John Couch, Jr. identified his children: Edward Smith; John
>I; Mary Ann [wife of James D. Couch]; Sarah Elizabeth [wife of Joseph
>Roots]; James Daniel; Nicholas Meriwether; Thomas Gaffena [Jefferson],
>Curtice Nunally [sic]; Geo. Calvin; and Susan Rebecca. Executors
>brother-in-law John S. Anderson and nephew James D. Couch.
>
>A3.Jesse E. Couch m by 1813, ANN ANDERSON COUCH the widow of his dec'd.
>brother, JAMES BARTLETT COUCH. They had three young boys under the age
>of 10, by the 1820 census and ANN appears to have died by 1817.
>
>----------
>
>Library of Virginia Archives Web Site
>
>Grants No. 48 1801-1802 page 377-8
>
>David Bondurant 12 February 1802 Buckingham Co granted 21 acres
>adjoining Ann Moses, JAMES B. COUCH, and Tapscotts land.
>
>HOME
>
>Bob
>----------
>>From: "Danny Couch" <>
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch 1800 Greenville SC
>>Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2003, 4:05 PM
>>
>
>>Let me know when you head to Hillsborough NC and the Orange County Library.
>>I can meet you there. I have exhausted it, with the exception of some
>>families that married into the Couches in Orange Co., but I am due for
>>another trip there to comb it again. Especially the two of us ought to
>>figure out the John's. My GGGrandfather was a John Couch (1791-1881) but
>he
>>is fully documented in Orange, and there were at least 2 before him. If
>you
>>can meet at the library on Wednesdays, Nat Clark is there. With notice, he
>>may be able to meet us another day. It is definitely worthwhile trip to
>>Hillsborough NC, trading post on the Great Indian Trading Path. Yes there
>>is highway sign in Lunenburg Co. VA, "Couch's Creek." It is where VA 40
>>crosses the N. Meherrin R., i.e. "Couch"s Creek." Gorgeous area,
>"Southside
>>VA." Since we in Group 5, a John in Orange Co. initially may be key.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Couch, Robert H. " <>
>>To: <>
>>Sent: August 03, 2003 6:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch 1800 Greenville SC
>>
>>
>>> Danny,
>>>
>>> There was at one time the John Couch Sr (son os Ole Thomas) we thought
>was
>>> the husband of Betsy in his first marriage. The 5 daughters were
>>identified
>>> and at least two sons (One my Thomas Couch who married Elvie Lynch).
>Next
>>> John may have married Ann Meredith in Enoree SC.
>>>
>>> However, I have begun to doubt this. But, I think Windwalker may have an
>>> idea. Anotherr John Couch of Burks County, PA may have been related to
>>the
>>> Buckingham County, VA Couches and the Ashe County NC Couches. Perhaps we
>>are
>>> on to something. Dr Richard Couch is a Dna Match as well as the John
>>Couch
>>> of Ashe Co, NC and my Ole Thomas Couch line (and your William and Edward
>>> Couch line in VA and Orange Co).
>>>
>>> Let me know where one should go to research the Orange County Couches and
>>> Luenburg Co, VA Couches for I may be heading to NC sometime later this
>>> month. What would you recommend? Has the sign noting Couch's Creek been
>>> replaced in the Luenburg Co, VA area?
>>>
>>> Please let me hear from you.
>>>
>>> Bob Couch
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------
>>> >From: "Danny Couch" <>
>>> >To:
>>> >Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch 1800 Greenville SC
>>> >Date: Sat, Aug 2, 2003, 12:18 PM
>>> >
>>>
>>> >NOW we are getting somewhere (maybe). Since there are many Pattersons
>>who
>>> >are connected to the Orange Co. NC Couches from the 1740's on (and there
>>are
>>> >still Pattersons in Orange Co. today), I think we are on to something
>>with
>>> >the John Couch and Betsy Patterson being possibly/likely the John Couch
>>in
>>> >the 1790 NC census and then in the 1800 SC census. I am thinking the
>>John
>>> >in Old Thomas 1784 will is this John. We know Old Thomas son, Thomas
>(m.
>>> >Jenney Nelson of Orange Co, sister of Archibald Nelson who married
>>Margaret
>>> >"Peggy" Couch, dau. of Edward And Mary Couch. **Archibald Nelson died
>>early
>>> >and Peggy remarried), moved back to NC and became prosperous farmer, so
>>why
>>> >wouldn't the John move back and forth? Thomas descendants are in Orange
>>Co.
>>> >NC today but don't come on the list, even though they have a reunion
>>every
>>> >2-3 years. Lord knows I've tried to get them on the list....
>>> > The Eliz. in 1830 SC census is likely Betsy Patterson, if this all
>>> >works.
>>> > There is a Campbell in Orange early, and Windwalker says John of
>John
>>> >and Elizabeth Campbell is documented born in Orange Co. 1750. That
>could
>>> >be, but I don't know. I am having difficulty plugging this John into
>the
>>> >mix as I know it.
>>> > Thanks for everyone's help, we are making progress. Danny Couch
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <>
>>> >To: <>
>>> >Sent: August 01, 2003 1:24 PM
>>> >Subject: [COUCH] John Couch 1800 Greenville SC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Dan,
>>> >> Here is the listing for John Couch in 1800 Greenville Co SC:
>>> >> 21101-21201
>>> >> I note he has five daughters, and John Couch of 1800 Ashe County had
>>> >> only one on the 1800 census. If the daus of Betsy Couch were all
>under
>>> >> 18 yrs of age in 1796, it follows they would be on the 1800 census.
>>> >> ergo, I think this is John and Betsy (was she a Patterson or something
>>> >> else?).
>>> >> I found a John Couch on the 1810 Spartanburg index, and none in 1820.
>>> >> There was an Elizabeth Couch in 1830 Spartanburg. Given names for
>>> >> Betsy's children were Mary, Letitia, Julie, Eleanor and Elizabeth.
>>> >> Could Elizabeth, dau of John and Betsy, be the Elizabeth on the 1830
>>> >> census?? I haven't checked the actual census - no idea what age
>>> >> Elizabeth was.
>>> >> Hope this helps.
>>> >> Joyce
>>> >>
>>> >>
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