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From: "Bill Couch" <>
Subject: Re: RE: [COUCH] John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:52:22 -0500
References: <20050505133852.DMWN2063.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>


Larry don't ever give up on this your line and my line have too much in
Common. My line also went to Gwinnett County the same time your line did, I
also beleive that Benjamin had a Brother name John. Both of us has a lot of
Genealogy to do before we die. We can't leave this old world without
breaking this big brick wall.

I got a 1st cousin to take the DNA test, Just had to see if I could find
some one to match the two mutation I have.
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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: RE: [COUCH] John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon


> Bob
>
> My Samuel was born ca 1800 in SC according to the 1850 and 1860 census
> records. In one of my great uncle notes he said his greatgrand father was
> John who was born in Virginia. I think the SAmuel who is listed in the
> 1820 census for Pendleton Co. SC is my Samuel. Samuel and his supposed
> brother Hiram moved to Gwinnett Co Ga and were there in 1830 and 1840.
> Samuel moved to Clarke Co in 1848. Hiram moved to Murray Co. Ga. There
> are two deeds in Hall county that connects a John, JOhn Jr, Hiram and
> Samuel in the 1830s. From this I have made an assumtion (not safe I know)
> that John was the father and John Jr,Hiram and Samuel were the children.
> I do know that one of Samuel's sons was born in Hall Co from Confederat
> Pension records. I have searched SC records for something that would
> connect Samuel with some Couchs there but no avail. There was another
> Samuel Couch in Laurens Co. SC that is not mine. He also moved to Georgia
> but I believe his line is documented. It is al!
> so strange that one of my Samuel's sons was also born in Laurens. This
> also came from a pension record. It is ONE big HEADACHE and evertime I
> get started on this line I swear I am going to leave it alone and just
> forget it.
>
> Thanks Larry
>>
>> From: "Bob Couchj" <>
>> Date: 2005/05/05 Thu AM 07:34:42 EDT
>> To:
>> Subject: RE: RE: [COUCH] John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> You are correct about the many many Johns. I did not mention my John
>> Couch
>> who was the eldest son of Thomas Couch JR. This John also had a son
>> named
>> John and they moved to Spartanburg then Greenville Counties in SC and
>> then
>> wouund up in Madison County, AL in what was then Mississippi Territory in
>> 1809.
>>
>> Where in SC was you Samuel? I know you are a Group 5 member also. Try to
>> see if Samuel's parents were ever in Orange County, NC and grandparents
>> in
>> Brunswick or Buckingham County, VA.
>>
>> Bob Couch
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [mailto:]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:17 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: RE: [COUCH] John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> May I get into this discussion. My Samuel Couch who was born in SC ca
>> 1800
>> is suppose to be a son of a John Couch born in Virginia. Have never been
>> able to prove this. Could this be the same on. He also had two
>> brothers, a
>> Hiram and a John. Too many John Couchs.
>> Larry Parr
>> >
>> > From: "Bob Couchj" <>
>> > Date: 2005/05/04 Wed PM 05:58:02 EDT
>> > To:
>> > Subject: RE: [COUCH] John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon
>> >
>> > Joyce,
>> >
>> > Highly interesting. Thus far I have some proof (some better than
>> > others)
>> > that Thomas & Elizabeth Couch of Brunswick Co Bristol Parish recd land
>> grant
>> > in what is now Lunenburg Co, VA (there is a Couch's Creek west of
>> > county
>> > seat of Luneburg) in 1720. They had sons Thomas Couch Jr. b there in
>> 1720;
>> > a proven brother of Thomas Jr was William Couch; James Couch is
>> > another
>> > brother of Thomas & William . A fourth son of Thomas and Elizabeth was
>> > a
>> > John Couch (b 1750) who could be your John Crouch (Couch) or father of
>> your
>> > John Couch. In addition to these four there was also an Edward Couch
>> > and
>> > possibly a Moses Couch there in Lunenburg Co, VA also. Most of these
>> > Couches went from Lunenburg to Orange County, NC. We have record of
>> Orange
>> > County land grants belonging to Thomas Jr., William and James Couch.
>> >
>> > There were at least two John Couches in Orange County that we know of.
>> Your
>> > John Couch was there and married his second wife in Orange County, NC.
>> > He
>> > went first to Ashe County, VA and then to Kentucky (Right?) Since this
>> John
>> > was Supposedly born in 1750 perahps John was son of the John Couch
>> > raised
>> in
>> > Luneburg Co, VA.
>> >
>> > There was also another John Couch b in Orange County, NC and he married
>> > a
>> > Prather and moved to Pendelton District in South Carolina.
>> >
>> > Thomas Jr, James, Moses and Matthew (presumably all brothers) moved to
>> > Spartanburg County, SC and had land grants along the Enoree River
>> > there.
>> >
>> > Fast forward to Buckingham County, VA where Capt John and James Couch
>> (John
>> > b 1732) They were still there in 1787. Their descendent Jeremiah who
>> > married Agatha Gipson moved to Russell County, VA. Descendents of
>> Jeremiah
>> > John L. Couch and his uncle Thomas John Couch moved to Kentucky.
>> > Thomas
>> > John supposedly an ancestor to QB Tim Couch.
>> >
>> > Now consider that all the aboved mentioned Couches who have taken the
>> > DNA
>> > test relate almost perfectly on the 12 Marker DNA Test and most very
>> > close
>> > on 25 marker (KY has no 25 marker test takers but Marion Couch is
>> currently
>> > updating to 37 marker test).
>> >
>> > Now my contention is that we are just a generation away from having a
>> Couch
>> > in Virginia who can match all these folks.
>> > Thomas and Elizabeth Couch or Brunswick Co (Lunenburg Co, VA) are about
>> the
>> > closest we have come so far. If your John was perhaps the Son of or
>> Nephew
>> > of Thomas and Elizabeth Couch see how much closer we are to arrive at
>> > our
>> > common ancestor. I have frequently posted a number of Virginia Couches
>> > of
>> > seventeenth and eighteenth centuries who might qualify but not one has
>> paid
>> > much attention to this or did not know what to do to connect us all.
>> > This
>> > is the directon we must move now.
>> >
>> > Your findings about your John makes me more convinced we are closer
>> > than
>> > ever.
>> > Nice job Joyce.
>> >
>> > Robert H. Couch
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Joyce House-Reeves [mailto:]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:05 PM
>> > To:
>> > Subject: [COUCH] John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> > As you may remember, Sam Broadmore found a document a year or so ago
>> > that confirms Mary Elizabeth Boon was wife of John Couch. The document
>> > was dated August 17, 1774, Commonwealth of Virginia, Campbell's Bottom.
>> > Recently we have learned that Campbell's Bottom was located in present
>> > day Kanawha County WV, where Campbell's Creek runs into the Kanawha
>> > River. Kanawha County GenWeb has a map of the area on line. It is
>> > near
>> > Charleston. One of the men who gave information to John J. Dickey said
>> > they could "roll a hogshead of tobacco to Charleston in a days time".
>> > This pretty much pin-points where John & Mary were living.
>> > We have also found records for John Couch in Botetourt, Fincastle,
>> > Montgomery and Bedford Counties. Oftentimes the Couch name (for John,
>> > Joseph and a few others) is also listed as Crouch.
>> > I feel that given the nearly 200 yr old tradition in our John Couch
>> > family that he was married to Mary/Polly Boone, and that the document
>> > is
>> > clear as to his wife was, that this is very likely OUR John Couch.
>> > Unfortunately, the CROUCH family researchers have already laid claim to
>> > the John Couch/Crouch who was in Fincastle as their own.
>> > One of our research group found references to two men named John
>> > Crouch who was born in King George County VA in May 1756 (info from RW
>> > pension file). He also lived in Henry Co, VA, and moved to Montgomery
>> > Co VA where he reached manhood. He enlisted in 1777 Montgomery Co. VA.
>> > All this sounds as if he might possibly be John Couch - not John
>> > Crouch.
>> > I would love to see his signature (if any) on these pension papers.
>> > Two
>> > records I have in my possession lists John as a Crouch by court clerks,
>> > but his signature is Couch.
>> > By backtracking the county formations in Virginia I learned Henry
>> > wasn't made a county until 1776, taken from Pittsylvania & Patrick.
>> > Pittsylvania formed 1766 from Halifax, which was formed in 1752 from
>> > Lunenburg. So evidently John's growing up years were spent in
>> > Lunenburg
>> > & Halifax Counties which eventually became Henry. Lunenburg was taken
>> > from Brunswick and of course, that takes us straight back to Thomas
>> > Couch.
>> > Can any of you help make some sense out of all this ?? Have any of
>> > the Crouch folks taken the DNA to see if we might be related? In our
>> > John Couches line is a tradition that there was a name change. Could
>> > the original name have been Crouch, retained by part of the family, and
>> > others started using Couch because it sounded more anglized? Could
>> > this
>> > be the reason we are having so much trouble findng our connecting
>> > link??
>> > Help !!!!!
>> > Joyce
>> >
>> >
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