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From: Robert Jerin <>
Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Nenad,

This is very true! And the worst part is that most Americans are not too concerned, we are isolated from all but Canada and Mexico... and except for Pearl Harbor and 911 have not experienced attacks on our soil since around The War of 1812. So it is often difficult for Americans to understand these things... but there are many good books in English that give more of a view from people close to Croatia. One of the first that I read was Prof. Ivo Banac, I even got to speak with and interview him during Domovinski Rat. He has one book that was written about 30 years ago or so. And even though he is Croatian he is professor of history and director of the Council on European Studies at Yale and not under the censorship of Tito. I highly recommend his works The one book that I keep handy for reference is:

The National Question in Yugoslavia: Origins, History, Politics (1984)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801494931/002-6711820-2458452?v=glance&n=283155

Another which I have not read but I plan to someday is

With Stalin Against Tito: Cominformist Splits in Yugoslav Communism (1988)

And since many Americans are confused (or simply don't care) about the Hrvatski Domovinski Rat (Croatian Homeland War) here is an interview with Banac regarding that and other wars that Serbia carried out in the early 90s

http://bostonreview.net/BR19.1/banac.html

Here is one that is written by Marcus Tanner, a non-Croatian but was written since independence and over all is good. His strong points are that he had no previous connection to Croatia but went there as a correspondent during the war and understands Croatia and her quest for independence.

Croatia, A Nation Forged in War
by Marcus Tanner
A modern history of Croatia from its medieval origins to the Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia to 1995, when thousands of Serbs fled Krajina. Written by a London Independent correspondent who was eyewitness to events of 1993, it is an absorbing and largely sympathetic portrait of Croatia with a focus on the drive for independence.

http://www.longitudebooks.com/find/p/3066/mcms.html

Another book by Stephen Gazi, a Croatian American that is a short history book written originally and republished in the 1990s by Barnes and Noble.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566193966/002-6711820-2458452?v=glance&n=283155

And if you like online reading you will find a couple of excellent sites one is by Zagrebcani Darko Zubrinic and covers a broad range of topics

http://www.hr/darko/etf/etfss.html

Another is a Bosnia Hercegovnia site. Bosnia-Hercegovina, which was part of Tomislav's Croatia, had a Croat majority on the eve of the Turkish invasion will soon count very many Croats among its citizens. The world has not made much of the fact that the Croats have been basically minimized with many villages emptied of Croats and many parishes nearly non-existant and the migration of Croats out of Bosnia-Hercegovina continues.

http://www.hercegbosna.org/eng_index.html

Robert

wrote:
I just want to mention, history it was always written by winners not loosers...
In the balkan it is always two oposite history, two truth, depend who wrote...
Who really want to know history on this areas need to explore more deep in history books, but different sources and find own truth usually somewhere between...
Who like to tight with each balkans nacional history that is another story...
Just my 5 cent about...

---- Betty wrote:
> I think Yugoslavia came into existance sometime in 1914. It was called old
> Yugoslavia (stara jugoslavia).
>
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> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [CROATIA-L] To Robert: WINK, BECKER, KRAHL, GERBER
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>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > If Yugoslavia did not come into existence until 1929, why when my great
> > uncle immigrated in 1921, it says he's from Yugoslavia??
> >
> > When my grandfather arrived in 1912, residence: Galgovo, Hungary
> > Great Uncle in 1921: Galgovo, Jugoslavia
> >
> > Thanks for the info
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- Robert Jerin wrote:
> >> Stephen,
> >>
> >> Welcome to the List!
> >>
> >> First if I may let me make a correction... Yugoslavia existed only from
> >> 1929 to 1991, so they did not spend 200 years there. FYI Croatians first
> >> migrated to the area (from the area around Krakow Poland (known at that
> >> time as White Croatia in the 7th century, prior to that they had lived in
> >> present day Ukraine north of the Black Sea, and the earliest known place
> >> was ancient Persia (present day Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan). The first
> >> Croatian king was crowned at what is now Tomislavgrad, Bosnia in in the
> >> 6th century, then in 925 Croatian King Tomislav united the Croatians into
> >> a kingdom that covered most of present day Croatia (except the western
> >> part of Istria) part of northern Serbia and most of present day
> >> Bosnia-Hercegovina. By 1080 the last ethnic Croatian king died, leaving
> >> no heir 9n 1102 Croatian Nobility voted to join into a "personal union"
> >> with Hungary (Pacta Conventa)... Bosnia was lost by the 1400s, which is
> >> about the time the pesky Ottoman Turks began to raid
> >> and invade and conquer parts of the area... in 1523 the Croato-Hungarian
> >> army lost The Battle of Mohacs to the Turks, and most of Croatia (except
> >> a small northern strip) was occupied In 1527 Croatia recognized the
> >> monarch of the Duchy of Austria as king/queen of Croatia Later this and
> >> other parts of this country would be known as The Habsburg Empire aka
> >> Austria-Hungary... all during that time Croatia was a Kingdom.... then in
> >> 1918 with the defeat of Austria-Hungary (WW I) Croatia was placed into a
> >> new country called, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes... discontent
> >> with the Serbian centralization of power that the pacisfist Croatian
> >> Peseant Party Leader Stephen Radic along with others was assassinated in
> >> the Parliament in Belgrade in 1929, after which the King declared a royal
> >> dictatorship... eliminating the name Croatia from maps... and creating
> >> jerrymandered provinces favorable to the king.. then in 1934 Macedonian
> >> seperatists, who were afillated with Croatians,
> >> assassinated the king while on a visit to France... by 1939 with WW II
> >> looming an agreement was reached creating a semi-autonomous province
> >> called the Banovina of Croatia, which inc areas were ethnic Croats were
> >> the majority incl present day Croatia, Bosnian Posavina, the area around
> >> Bihac Croatia and most of Hercegovina... of course this was too little
> >> too late.. and with the invasion by the Germans Yugoslavia was split into
> >> 2 parts with Italy over one part Germany over the other... and parts of
> >> Croatia given to Italy and Hungary... the rest is history..
> >> .
> >> Sentivan perhaps is Szent Ivan, Croatian would be Sveti Ivan, meaning
> >> Saint John
> >>
> >> Kisbarát, Nagybarát, Gyõrújbarát 67.2 miles W of Budapest
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> Stephen Djuric wrote:
> >> Hello Members of the Croatia researchers list,
> >> I only recently signed on, but I am responding to the roll call letter I
> >> just received. I'm looking to fill in pieces to about 200 years my
> >> ancestor's spent in Jugoslavia. I'm pretty much in the early stages, but
> >> here is who I'm looking for information on. Josef Wink born 28 May 1893
> >> in Semelji, Croatia. Married to Anna Becker born 14 July 1902 in Mrzovic,
> >> Croatia . His parents Anton Wink born 1850 in Kesehkin, Baranja and Khati
> >> Rawater born 1860 in Kischbarot, Hungary.
> >> Also Anna Becker's parents. Her father Michael Becker born 31 Dec 1875 in
> >> Vukovar, Syrmiem. and Her mother Anna Krahl (Manier through a previous
> >> marriage) born 14 Sept 1866 also in Vukovar. As well as Anna Krahl's
> >> father Josef Krahl born June 1839 in Sentivan ?? and his wife Anna Gerber
> >> born 19 Jan 1839 also in Sentivan?? Any Information on anyone connected
> >> to them would be appreciated. I would also be glad to share anything that
> >> someone else might be looking for.
> >> Thank You
> >> Steve Djuric
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia
> >> http://www.kollander-travel.com/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Follow the link below to my October 2006 tour of Croatia
http://www.kollander-travel.com/

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