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From: "Grant A. Van Vranken" <>
Subject: Re: [CROLEY] Several Recent Topics
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:51:54 -0600
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Just to clear this up I said in Sir Ambrose's own words.... Sir Ambrose is
Ambrose III not Quaker Ambrose II.

Grant
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Subject: [CROLEY] Several Recent Topics


> Hello All! I haven't checked my email in several days and was very glad
> to see all the discussions of our Jeffrey.
>
> I noticed that the Joanna Crowley that married Enoch Hollingsworth was a
> "Friend," a Quaker. Now, we now that Ambrose Crowley II was a Quaker, and
> that his son Sir Ambrose chose to become Anglican. I personally feel Sir
> Ambrose did it more for politics than for religious belief, plus his
> attitude did not coincide with the Quaker beliefs. From what I know about
> the Friends back then, they weren't too particularly fond of haughty Dandy
> Braggarts!
>
> Wouldn't it be safe to assume that several of Ambrose II's children
> remained Quakers, perhaps even the Samuel who went to sea?
>
> Speaking out the "Sea" Samuel, from the reference to that statement
> written by Sir Ambrose, it says NOTHING about him working for the Crowley
> firm, or being on one of their ships. It basically states that Samuel ran
> away from his apprenticeship to go work on a boat of some kind and had a
> really rough time.
>
> It may also be safe to assume that Samuel who went to sea made it to the
> colonies. He is never mentioned in the Crowley family after that letter
> from Sir Ambrose to John Crowley and is even excluded from his father's
> will.
>
> In Sir Ambrose's own words this is how he describes Samuel; "I am sorry to
> hear you are for going to sea. I would advise you, now you are an
> apprentice to serve yor time faithfully as a good apprentice ought, and am
> sure my Father will not hear of your going to sea being he hath had such a
> bad accot. from Brother Samuell.
>
> Note for Sue: It says a bad account from Brother Samuell (implied that it
> was Samuel himself that gave the account - not that someone else gave a
> bad account about Samuel. )
>
> Just a fact for you all, I have read every blurb that I can find that
> mentions Sir Ambrose, or was written by him that I can find and I have
> come to a conclusion: He was an arrogant jerk and I would not be the
> least bit surprised if part of the reason Samuel ran away to sea was to
> get away from that overbearing control freak. I know that if I wrote
> letters to my family like Sir Ambrose did, I wouldn't have much family
> left to talk to! The perfect line to describe Sir Ambrose (in his own
> words) is: " I thought you and my Bro. Benj. had known me better than to
> have thought I wo'd have lain down rules to be shaken by every puff of
> wind."
>
>
> And a side note - I never once remember Jack Grantham associating Jeffrey
> Crowley with Pennsylvania, as far as I knew he believed that the first
> account of Jeffrey was the Orange County Court records!
>
> Okay, I am done rambling now.
>
> Grant
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~crowley/index.html (Here you go
> Forest)
>
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