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From: "Helen D. Crowley" <>
Subject: Re: [CROLEY] Several Recent Topics
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:55:44 -0700
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I see that grant says the letter was from Sir Ambrose to John Crowley.
Which John Crowley would this be, Grant? And did Sir Ambrose have sons?
Helen

Grant A. Van Vranken wrote:

> Just to clear this up I said in Sir Ambrose's own words.... Sir
> Ambrose is Ambrose III not Quaker Ambrose II.
>
> Grant
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant A. Van Vranken"
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> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:55 PM
> Subject: [CROLEY] Several Recent Topics
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>
>> Hello All! I haven't checked my email in several days and was very
>> glad to see all the discussions of our Jeffrey.
>>
>> I noticed that the Joanna Crowley that married Enoch Hollingsworth
>> was a "Friend," a Quaker. Now, we now that Ambrose Crowley II was a
>> Quaker, and that his son Sir Ambrose chose to become Anglican. I
>> personally feel Sir Ambrose did it more for politics than for
>> religious belief, plus his attitude did not coincide with the Quaker
>> beliefs. From what I know about the Friends back then, they weren't
>> too particularly fond of haughty Dandy Braggarts!
>>
>> Wouldn't it be safe to assume that several of Ambrose II's children
>> remained Quakers, perhaps even the Samuel who went to sea?
>>
>> Speaking out the "Sea" Samuel, from the reference to that statement
>> written by Sir Ambrose, it says NOTHING about him working for the
>> Crowley firm, or being on one of their ships. It basically states
>> that Samuel ran away from his apprenticeship to go work on a boat of
>> some kind and had a really rough time.
>>
>> It may also be safe to assume that Samuel who went to sea made it to
>> the colonies. He is never mentioned in the Crowley family after that
>> letter from Sir Ambrose to John Crowley and is even excluded from his
>> father's will.
>>
>> In Sir Ambrose's own words this is how he describes Samuel; "I am
>> sorry to hear you are for going to sea. I would advise you, now you
>> are an apprentice to serve yor time faithfully as a good apprentice
>> ought, and am sure my Father will not hear of your going to sea being
>> he hath had such a bad accot. from Brother Samuell.
>>
>> Note for Sue: It says a bad account from Brother Samuell (implied
>> that it was Samuel himself that gave the account - not that someone
>> else gave a bad account about Samuel. )
>>
>> Just a fact for you all, I have read every blurb that I can find that
>> mentions Sir Ambrose, or was written by him that I can find and I
>> have come to a conclusion: He was an arrogant jerk and I would not
>> be the least bit surprised if part of the reason Samuel ran away to
>> sea was to get away from that overbearing control freak. I know that
>> if I wrote letters to my family like Sir Ambrose did, I wouldn't have
>> much family left to talk to! The perfect line to describe Sir
>> Ambrose (in his own words) is: " I thought you and my Bro. Benj. had
>> known me better than to have thought I wo'd have lain down rules to
>> be shaken by every puff of wind."
>>
>>
>> And a side note - I never once remember Jack Grantham associating
>> Jeffrey Crowley with Pennsylvania, as far as I knew he believed that
>> the first account of Jeffrey was the Orange County Court records!
>>
>> Okay, I am done rambling now.
>>
>> Grant
>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~crowley/index.html (Here
>> you go Forest)
>>
>>
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