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From: "Deborah Woolf" <>
Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Austin Rider and David Thompson
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:33:34 -0800


Alli,

it may be feasible that if David md. into Cherokee lines, a brother could
have too?


----- Original Message -----
From: Alli <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Austin Rider and David Thompson


> I'm gonna hang onto this as there's a chance...as he was from N.C. & he
went
> to live in Okla. but I'm stuck.
> So, I guess I'd better get off my tush & get back into searching for this
> line.
> thanks for posting the info.
> Alli :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willora Glee Krapf" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Austin Rider and David Thompson
>
>
> > Here is the first 2 generations of the Rider family.
> > Descendants of John Rider
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 1
> >
> >
> > 1. JOHN1 RIDER He married ELIZABETH BRADLEY.
> >
> >
> > Child of JOHN RIDER and ELIZABETH BRADLEY is:
> >
> > 2. i. AUSTIN2 RIDER, b. abt 1785, Probably Virginia [White man]; d. abt
> > 1835, Indian Territory now OK..
> >
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 2
> >
> >
> > 2. AUSTIN2 RIDER (JOHN1) was born abt 1785 in Probably Virginia [White
> man],
> > and died abt 1835 in Indian Territory now OK.. He married MARY JANE
STARR
> > abt 1809 in Tennessee, daughter of CALEB STARR and NANCY HARLAN. She was
> > born 15 Sep 1795 in McMinn Co., Tennessee [1/4 Cherokee Indian], and
died
> > 1869 in Indian Territory now OK..
> >
> > Notes for AUSTIN RIDER:
> >
> > >From Cherokee Immigration Rolls 1817-1835 Transcribed by Jack D. Baker
> >
> > Page 26
> >
> > We whose names are hereunto aubscribed do acknowledge that we have
> > voluntarily enrolled owrselves as emigrants for the Arkansas Country
under
> > the treaty made between the United States and the Cherokees of Arkanas
on
> > the 6th of May 1828 and do here by relinquish to the United States all
> right
> > and claim to our lands on the East or lands on the West of the river
> > Mississippi, The united States agreeing to pay us for our improvements
and
> > transport us to that country, furnish us provisions by the way and for
one
> > year after our arrival, and give warrior a rifle gun and the other
> articles
> > agreeably to the provisions of said Treaty.
> >
> > Oct. 22, 1831
> >
> > Austin Rider- Residence-Quaholly, GA., one white,12 reds,12 Blacks,
Total
> 25
> >
> > Next to his is listed Joseph M. Starr the brother of his wife. See his
> > notes.
> >
> > Page 41, same book as above.
> >
> > Muster roll of Cherokee Indndians who have emigrated West of the
> Mississippi
> >
> > River, under the direction of B. F. Currey, Esq., showing the number of
> > Indians paid by drafts drawn on the War Department by Capt. Vashon, in
> whose
> > favor drawn, the number of Indians to whom Capt. Vashon paid the years
> > subsistence alogether or in part, the number of Negroes etc. wgise
claims
> > for the years subsistence have been brought up & by whom, and the number
> of
> > Indians, Negroes, etc. now paid to by Lieut. W. Seawell, Disb. Agt. for
> the
> > Cherokees West. [Editor's Note: $32.50 was paid by draft for each
Indian.
> No
> > date was given for this Mister Roll but an occasional note is mad that
the
> > comutation allowance was paid in either April or May of 1832.]
> >
> > Names of Heads
> >
> > of families
> >
> > Austin Rider- 3 males under 10, 6 males between ages of 10 and 25, 1
male
> 25
> > to 50,1 female under 10, 1 female 10-25 and 1 female 25-50. 5 male
slaves
> > and 7 female slaves. Total 25.
> >
> > All made it safe and sound to their new home land and this makes this
> family
> > part of the Old settlers of Oklahoma.
> >
> > Notes for MARY JANE STARR:
> >
> > Mary Jane Rider is listed on the Old Settlers Roll in groupe 67 of the
> roll
> > and on page 255 of the book Cherokee Old Settlers Transcribed and Edited
> by
> > David Keith Hampton. She is listed next to her son Augustus Rider.
> >
> > More About AUSTIN RIDER and MARY STARR:
> >
> > Marriage: abt 1809, Tennessee
> >
> >
> > Children of AUSTIN RIDER and MARY STARR are:
> >
> > i. NANCY3 RIDER, b. abt 1810, McMinn Co., Tennessee [1/8 Cherokee
Indian];
> > d. 31 Jul 1834, Indian Territory now Honey Hill, Adair Co., OK [may have
> > died in child birth]; m. DAVID THOMPSON, 7 Jul 1825, Monroe Co.,
> Tennessee;
> > b. 1800, Blount Co., Tennessee [White man]; d. 20 Jul 1864, Dooley
> District,
> > Union Co., Georgia.
> >
> > More About NANCY RIDER:
> >
> > Burial: Aug 1834, Honey Hill cemetery, Stillwell, Adair Co., OK in an
> > unmarked grave
> >
> > Notes for DAVID THOMPSON:
> >
> > Cherokee Emigration Rolls 1817-1835 Transcribed by Jack D. Baker, page
37.
> >
> > David Thompson agreed to leave his lands in the East and move west of
the
> > Mississippi River and live there permanently. Giving up all their rights
> to
> > the land they own in the East. They will abide by the treaty of 1832.
They
> > are to be paid for their abandoned improvements on their arrival and
> > settlement West of the Mississippi, they are to be transported and
> subsisted
> > for twelve months after their arrival and recieve eyerything everyone
else
> > did who removed west under the Treaty of the 4th of May 1828. The will
be
> > given before they leave the east their propertion of three years annuity
> due
> > under former treaties.
> >
> > # means that they recieved the comutation allowance by the goverment.
> >
> > Date Jan 19, 1834
> >
> > #244 David Thompson, 3 males under 10, 1 male under 50, 3 females under
> 10,
> > 1 female between 10-25, 4 male slaves and 3 female slaves. Total 15.
They
> > resided in the east at Aquohee, North Carolina.
> >
> > page 49 same book.
> >
> > >From the list of the Cherokees who moved to the west of the
Mississippi.
> >
> > David Thompson- 3 males under 10, 1 male under 50, 3 females under 10, 1
> > female 10-25. 4 male slaves and 3 female slaves. Total 15, Remarks
Arrived
> > West June 1, 1834-- 3 died 15 Aug., 1 the 10th Sept., & 1 the 25th Sept.
> '34
> >
> > David Thompson must have returned to the east for he died in Georgia and
> and
> > so did two of his children and they are both buried with him is the same
> > Cemetery. It must have been a sad return to the east for he left three
of
> > his children and his wife in graves in Indian Territory. He also did not
> > return to North Carolina but setteled instead in Union Co., Georgia. He
> also
> > must have had the finances to return east and start all over again.
> >
> > Excerpts From an article in the newsletter of the Assoc. of Descendants
of
> > Nancy Ward, August 2000, Vol. 7 #2. pages 13, 14 & 15.
> >
> > Article was written by Newell Jones
> >
> > This was from an interview with John F. Thompson grandson of David
> Thompson.
> >
> > This was in an San Diego newspaper for he was visiting his son and
> > daughter-in-law in that city when a reporter did this interview.
> >
> > When he moved west in 1834 David Thompson chose to "bring himself
through"
> > instead of traveling in a convoy. "My grandfather made a flat boat and
put
> > it on the Tennessee River, and he went down the Tennessee and Ohio until
> > they struck the Mississippi. There they got on a boat a went up the
> Arkansas
> > River".
> >
> > Disaster overtook the party on the Arkansas. The boat was wrecked and
> sank.
> > After helping get the women and children safely off. Thompson recounted,
> his
> > grandfather ripped a door from the craft, placed his funds all in gold
and
> > silver in that day, ofcourse, on one end, himself on the other, and
> floated
> > to safety a quarter of a mile downstream. Then they went on to the
> Territory
> > to claim a farm, build a log home which still stands. [This is when this
> was
> > orginally written about
> >
> > 1937 in an ukn newspaper.]
> >
> > About 1837 David Thompson returned east, with his remaining children,
and
> > setteled in Georgiawhere he died.
> >
> > When John F. Thompson went west with his father in 1881 they went by
train
> > but the territory was still rather wild country. The soldiers still were
> > stationed there. There were many desperadoes in the country.
> >
> > John F. Thompson said that he was unfortunate in that he had no
education.
> > He grew up in the south during the Civil War period, when there was
little
> > opportunity for school. He knew that he would have to get ahead by my
own
> > effort, so he made hisself proficient in many things in farming,
> > black-smithing, carpentering and the making of farm implements.
> >
> > John F. was visiting his son W.L. Thompson and his wife who lived at 224
> > Beech St. San Diego, California.
> >
> > More About DAVID THOMPSON:
> >
> > Burial: Jul 1864, David Thompson Cemetery, Dooley District, Union Co.,
GA.
> >
> > Went west: 1834, Took his family and moved west to become an old settler
> in
> > what is now OK. He returned east abt 1837 with his three surviving
> children.
> >
> > More About DAVID THOMPSON and NANCY RIDER:
> >
> > Marriage: 7 Jul 1825, Monroe Co., Tennessee
> >
> > ii. THOMAS LEWIS RIDER, b. 3 Apr 1814, Cherokee Nation East, now TN.; d.
> 17
> > Aug 1863, Choctaw Nation, IT., now Bryan county, OK. [at 49 years of
age];
> > m. AMELIA ALBERTY, 1 Apr 1836, Cherokee Nation East; b. 2 Jan 1819,
> Cherokee
> > Nation East, probably Forsythe Co., GA.; d. 5 Mar 1872, Chouteau, Mays,
> Co.,
> > OK [at 53 years of age.].
> >
> > More About THOMAS LEWIS RIDER:
> >
> > Burial: 1863, Fisher's Station, Bryan, OK.
> >
> > More About AMELIA ALBERTY:
> >
> > Burial: 1872, Alberty cemetery, Chouteau, Mays, Co., OK
> >
> > More About THOMAS RIDER and AMELIA ALBERTY:
> >
> > Marriage: 1 Apr 1836, Cherokee Nation East
> >
> > iii. ELIZABETH RIDER, b. 1815, Cherokee Nation East, now TN.; d. 1865,
> > Probably in Or.; m. JOHN M. SMITH, 1835, Cherokee Nation East propably
> East
> > Tennessee.
> >
> > More About JOHN SMITH and ELIZABETH RIDER:
> >
> > Marriage: 1835, Cherokee Nation East propably East Tennessee
> >
> > iv. CALEB STARR RIDER, b. abt 1816, Cheorkee Nation East now TN..
> >
> > v. JOHN RIDER, b. abt 1818, Cherokee Nation East, now TN.; d. 4 Apr
1854,
> > Indian Territory now OK.; m. RACHEL SMITH, 1837, Cherokee Nation East;
b.
> > 1820, Cherokee Nation East, now TN.; d. 13 Mar 1864, Indian Territory
now
> > OK..
> >
> > More About JOHN RIDER and RACHEL SMITH:
> >
> > Marriage: 1837, Cherokee Nation East
> >
> > vi. EZEKIEL RIDER, b. abt 1820, Cheorkee Nation East, now Tn.; d. abt
> 1855,
> > Indian Terrirory now Ok.; m. ELSIE RATT, abt 1838, Cherokee Nation East;
> b.
> > abt 1822, Cherokee Nation East, now TN.; d. abt 1857, Indian Terrirory
now
> > Ok..
> >
> > More About EZEKIEL RIDER and ELSIE RATT:
> >
> > Marriage: abt 1838, Cherokee Nation East
> >
> > vii. BLUFORD WEST RIDER, b. abt 1822, Cheorkee Nation East now TN..
> >
> > viii. WILLIAM RIDER, b. abt 1824, Cheorkee Nation East now TN..
> >
> > ix. ELLIS RIDER, b. abt 1826, Cheorkee Nation East now TN..
> >
> > x. EMILY RIDER, b. abt 1828, Cheorkee Nation East now TN..
> >
> > xi. CHARLES AUSTIN AUGUSTUS "GUS" RIDER, b. 28 Nov 1829, Cherokee Nation
> > East, now Monroe Co., TN.; d. 24 Dec 1901, Indian Terrirory now Ok. [at
72
> > years of age]; m. (1) ELIZABETH "BETSY" BYERS; b. abt 1829, Cherokee
> Nation
> > East, now probably GA.; d. 1867; m. (2) MARY ANN BIGBY, abt Jul 1855,
> Indian
> > Territory now OK.; b. abt 1831, Cherokee Nation East; d. 1861, Indian
> > Terrirory now Ok.; m. (3) SARAH JANE NIX FORREST, 10 Nov 1870, Oak
Grove,
> > Flint District, Cherokee Nation, now Adair Co., OK; b. 15 Jun 1847; d.
15
> > Jun 1926, Oak Grove, Adair Co., OK..
> >
> > More About CHARLES AUSTIN AUGUSTUS "GUS" RIDER:
> >
> > Burial: 1901, Oak Grove cemetery, Oak Grove, Adair, Co., OK.
> >
> > More About CHARLES RIDER and MARY BIGBY:
> >
> > Marriage: abt Jul 1855, Indian Territory now OK.
> >
> > More About SARAH JANE NIX FORREST:
> >
> > Burial: 1926, Oak Grove cemetery, Oak Grove, Adair, Co., OK.
> >
> > More About CHARLES RIDER and SARAH FORREST:
> >
> > Marriage: 10 Nov 1870, Oak Grove, Flint District, Cherokee Nation, now
> Adair
> > Co., OK
> >
> > xii. LAURA NARCISSA RIDER, b. 3 Mar 1832, on the Mississippi, TN.; m.
(1)
> > KING FULSOM; m. (2) LAVINUS BYRON BOYNTON, abt 1858, Indian Territory
now
> > OK.; b. 1827, MA. [or Cleveland, OH.]; d. 1865, Indian Terrirory now
Ok.;
> m.
> > (3) NELSON T. PRITCHARD, 15 May 1899, Cooweescoowee Dist., IT., now
Craig
> > Co., OK; b. Jun 1834, Indiana.
> >
> > More About LAVINUS BOYNTON and LAURA RIDER:
> >
> > Marriage: abt 1858, Indian Territory now OK.
> >
> > More About NELSON PRITCHARD and LAURA RIDER:
> >
> > Marriage: 15 May 1899, Cooweescoowee Dist., IT., now Craig Co., OK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deborah Woolf <>
> > To: <>
> > Date: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Austin Rider and David Thompson
> >
> >
> > >Glee,
> > >
> > >have you looked up the RIDER claims? maybe a hint to Austin will be
> there.
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Willora Glee Krapf <>
> > >To: <>
> > >Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:48 PM
> > >Subject: [CherokeeGene] Austin Rider and David Thompson
> > >
> > >
> > >> I am sorry but maybe have not made myself clear. Austin Rider was
born
> in
> > >1785 and died in 1835 shortly after arriving in IT. He never made it
onto
> > >any roles because he died before the the 1851 Drennen Role. I think
that
> he
> > >was white. His wife was Mary Jane Starr [she had Cherokee blood] and
> their
> > >Daughter Nancy Rider married David Thompson. Thompson was white. He
went
> > >west in 1834 but his wife and three of his six children died shortly
> after
> > >they arrived in IT. In about 1837 he and the 3 remaining children
> returned
> > >east and moved to Ga where he died and I am told married the second
time.
> I
> > >am interested in finding out if Austin is white because it changes the
> > blood
> > >degree of his children and grandchildren and ect. He was born in VA so
> > David
> > >Keith Hamptons book says. I have The Starr book History of the Cherokee
> > >Indians and Hamptoms boon on the Des of Nancy Ward. I thought that
maybe
> > >someone might know about a book on these two families before the move
> west.
> > >There is Riders !
> > >> on the 1787 tax roll of VA but they but there is very little infro
> there.
> > >The Nail search did not give me much because it is all on men who were
on
> > >the later rolls. These two men married Indian ladies and think that
they
> > >were the first whites these lines to marry indians. David Thompson was
> > >originaly fron North Carolina. His son Caleb Starr Thompson did not go
to
> > IT
> > >till 1881. Thanks to all who tried to help me. It is the real early
> history
> > >of these men that I am interested in. I have a lot of later information
> on
> > >the families. Thanks. Glee
> > >>
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