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Subject: RE: Edmund, Edward
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:58:43 -0600


In the hope that this might be useful to others on the list I will relate my
Edmond/Edward story.

My gg-grandfather was married in Upperchurch, Co. Tipperary in 1841 as
Edmund Magrath. By the 1855 NYS Census he had become Edmond McGraw. He
reverted back to McGrath briefly in 1868 and was Edward McGraw in 1874. His
death certificate has him listed as Edmond McGraw. On his sons' death
certifcates in the 1920's Michael (my g-grandfather) and John (father of
John J. McGraw - Mgr of NY Giants for you baseball fans) had him listed as
Edward McGraw.

Son Michael McGraw had a son Edmond C. McGraw (my grandfather)who was always
Edward C. McGraw as far as we knew. He even had a son named Edward C.
McGraw, Jr. It was only after my grandfather's death in 1979 that we
discovered that his real name was Edmond, everyone had always called him Ed.

Before he could finalize the paperwork associated with my grandfather's
estate my father had to track down a childhood friend of my grandfather and
have him write a letter declaring the he had known Edward C. McGraw all his
life and that Edmond and Edward were indeed the same person.

You just never think to ask your parents if they are using an alias.

Best Regards,

Mike McGraw
Austin, TX




-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Madden [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:34 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Edmund, Edward


Well, I've got them too!
My GGGF, "Ned" (on his daughters Baptism Record - Ellen in 1851 and Judith
in 1854), then he was Edmund (on his son's Marriage Registration - Daniel in
1869), then he was Edward (died Feb 20, 1887- on the family marker erected
by his grandson <my grandfather, Daniel> at Couraganeen Church).
Ned/Edmund/Edward lived in the townland of Kyleannagh.

And, there was a murdered Edward Madden and a ballad written (1848) about
his murder's (the Cody brothers), the ballad says Edmund.

So I think Richard is on to something!

Ed/Eddie/Edward Madden
Silver Lake, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: Lou & MJ <>
To: <>
Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Edmund, Edward


>Fr. Feehan in Boherlahan and Dulla, who is a history buff, said that the
>names were often used interchangeably. I know some Irish who say, Edmund is
>a Protestant name and Edward is Catholic. I do know that there is a 96 year
>old lady near Dulla that called by grandfather 'Ned." So there you go.
>
>I am pleased to hear that I am not the only one blessed with this.
>
>Lou
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Richard Callanan <>
>To: Lou & MJ <>; <>
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:21 PM
>Subject: Edmund, Edward
>>
>> In a reply re Irish Citizenship, Lou wrote from Grenada:
>>
>> "As an example, my grandfather was born and baptised as Edmund. In the
>> states he used Edward. Why? I don't know!"
>>
>> I've come across the same in my family even within Ireland. In two
>> succeeding 19th century generations I have baptismal records saying
>"Edmund" and gravestones reading "Edward".
>>
>> My theory is this: they were called neither Edmund nor Edward but "Ned" -
>> still a common name in Tipperary. So at one end of their lives the priest
>> formalised it and chose "Edmund", after their death the formal choice of
>the family was "Edward". Between the cradle and the grave he was "Ned" !
(One
>of these ancestors is in fact entered as "Ned" in the marriage register)
>>
>> My previous and alternative theory is that there was a simple handwriting
>> confusion. If you try handwriting in the old "cursive" style then the two
>> names are easily confused. "m" and "w" can easily be misread and the old
>"r" is similarly formed to an "n".
>>
>> The name is still used in my family and now it is quite definitely Edward
>> with shortened forms of "Ed" and "Eddie".
>>
>> [By the way, Lou, would you post again the excellent list of commonly
used
>> research URLs which you compiled - I'm sure many newcomers to the list
>would greatly appreciate it]
>>
>> Richard Callanan
>> London, England.
>>


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