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From: "Martin V. Andersen" <>
Subject: Re: [DANISH-ROOTS] Rasmus Madsen/Ane Hansdatter
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:43:40 +0100
References: <000e01c8708d$d11ce2d0$0c01a8c0@cummins><005101c87099$8c75d9a0$6401a8c0@Medion20060726>


Hello again,

As for the Anne Hansdatter, the 1845 census I sent you, said she was born in
Nørre Højrup. As she was supposed to be 33 years old, she must have been
born around 1812. I found one in late 1811 on Arkivalieronline, and another
in 1813. Therefore I checked for Rasmus and Annes marriage on Familysearch
and found this:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Denmark
Search Results | Download
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RASMUS MADSEN Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANE HANSDR Family
Marriage: 26 JUL 1833 Norre Hojrup, Odense, Denmark
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M201713 1814 - 1867 0050481 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

I then found the record on Arkivalieronline, and the record states her
father was Sognefoged Hans Hansen. The problem is the two above mentioned
Ane's father name was Hans Jørgensen, so they can't be right. The marriage
record also says she was 23 y.o., so she could have been born around 1810. I
then checked arkivalieronline again, and found that farmer Hans Hansen and
wife Maren Hellesdatter brought their daughter Anne to church on June 11th
1810.

On http://ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person.asp?sit=2 I found this in 1834:

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Odense, Skam, Nørre Højrup, Højrup, , 15, FT-1834, C2123
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Hans Hansen 71 Gift Gaardmand, Sognefoged
Maren Helgesdatter 56 Gift Kone
Hans Hansen 29 Ugift Søn, Hjælper
Maren Hansdatter 20 Ugift Datter
Niels Hansen 26 Ugift Tjenestekarl

Hans had died in 1840:

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Odense, Skam, Nørre Højrup, Nørre Højrup, en Gaard, 21, FT-1840, B6665
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Maren Hellesdatter 60 Enke afdøde Gaardfæster Hans Hansens Enke
Hans Hansen 34 Ugift hendes Børn
Maren Hansdatter 26 Ugift hendes Børn
Niels Hansen 32 Ugift Tjenestekarl

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The son Hans Hansen lived with his family in 1845, but Maren wasn't there.
Therefore I looked for her death between 1840 and 1845, and found she'd died
on April 12th 1843. The record says she was born in Hjadstrup, which is
north on Lunde west of Otterup. She must have been born around 1780 or so.

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Odense, Skam, Nørre Højrup, Nørre Høirup, En gaard, 21, FT-1845, B5981
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Hans Hansen jun. 39 Gift Gaardfæster Her [Nørre Højrup]
Anne Berthelsdatter 23 Gift Hans kone Eilby sogn, Odense Amt
Niels Hansen 37 Ugift Deres tjenestefolk Her [Nørre Højrup]
Karen Marie Rasmusdatter 21 Ugift Deres tjenestefolk Uggerslev sogn,
Odense Amt
Peder Andersen 13 Ugift Deres tjenestefolk Sandager sogn, Odense Amt

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This may be her family in 1801:

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Odense, Lunde, Hjadstrup, Hiadstrup, , 2, FT 1801, A4234
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Heluv Oluvsen 59 gift Hosbond Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Ane Rasmusdatter 55 gift Kone [Heluv Oluvsen]
Peder Heluvsen 27 ugift Barn [Heluv Oluvsen]
Ole Heluvsen 25 ugift Barn [Heluv Oluvsen] Gevorben Soldat
Maren Heluvsdatter 21 ugift Barn [Heluv Oluvsen]
Mads Heluvsen 19 ugift Barn [Heluv Oluvsen]
Rasmus Heluvsen 11 ugift Barn [Heluv Oluvsen]

and in 1787:

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Odense, Lunde, Hjadstrup, Hjastrup, , 2, FT-1787, A4231
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Heluv Olsen 45 gift Hosbond Bone og Gaardbeboer
Ane Rasmusdatter 41 gift Madmoder [Heluv Olsen]
Peder Heluvsen 14 ugift Fælles barn [Heluv Olsen og Ane Rasmusdt.]
Ole Heluvsen 12 ugift Fælles barn [Heluv Olsen og Ane Rasmusdt.]
Maren Heluvsdatter 8 ugift Fælles barn [Heluv Olsen og Ane Rasmusdt.]
Mads Heluvsen 5 ugift Fælles barn [Heluv Olsen og Ane Rasmusdt.]
Peder Pedersen 24 ugift Barn [Ane Rasmusdatters 1.ægteskab]
Ane Pedersdatter 17 ugift Barn [Ane Rasmusdatters 1.ægteskab

She was unmarried in 1801, so she and Hans must have been married between
1801 and 1806 (I found the birth of a few children in the Nørre Højrup
church books - incl. Hans in 1806). They were married in Hjadstrup in 1805,
and Hans was a widower. In Nørre Højrup, a Hans Hansens wife Abelone
Larsdatter was burried in March 1805, so this could be Hans family in 1801
(Hansdatter could be a transcription error):

Samtlige personer i husstanden

Odense, Skam, Nørre Højrup, Høyrup Bye, , 14, FT 1801, A4221
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Ny Hans Hansen 37 gift Huusbonde Bonde og gaardbeboer
Abelone Hansdatter 31 gift Hans kone
Jesper Hansen 6 ugift Deres børn
Kirsten Hansdatter 2 ugift Deres børn
Hans Nielsen 31 ugift Tienestefolk
Giertrud Nielsdatter 33 ugift Tienestefolk
Kirsten Larsen f. Hansen 73 enke Huusbondens moster


Ny Hans Hansens wife was introduced in church in 1801 after the birth of a
daughter Anna Sophia. Jesper was born in early 1795 and Kirsten in 1799 in
Nørre Højrup.

On Familysearch, I found this to be a possible marriage - I did look at
arkivalieronline, but could not find the record, so I'm REALLY not sure
about this !!!:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Denmark
Search Results | Download
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HANDS HANDSEN Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
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Marriages:
Spouse: APELONE LARSDR Family
Marriage: 24 OCT 1793 Klinte, Odense, Denmark
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source
records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M201441 1744 - 1851 0050263 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

As Hans Hansen was "ny" = "new" in 1801, he's likely to have been born
elsewhere, but where.....

PLEASE don't take my word for all this being correct - you really need to
look at the records - check and double check !

Take care

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin V. Andersen" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [DANISH-ROOTS] Rasmus Madsen/Ane Hansdatter


Hey there,

In the death record I sent you, it said he'd been born in what looked like
Fremmelev (Or something close to it). Fremmelev is in Lunde parish, and I
looked at Arkivalieronline and found a Rasmus born in 1781. The fathers name
looked like Mads, but I couldn't read his last name, and the record was
really difficult to read. Maybe the film is better.

I looked at the Mormon site
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp, and found this:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Denmark
Search Results | Download
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RASMUS MADSEN Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 11 FEB 1781 Lunde, Odense, Denmark
Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: MADS DITLEVSEN Family
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Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's
name and address and may include source information. The address may be
outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet
number.
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Source Information:
Batch Number: 7224525
Sheet: 71
Source Call No.: 0822024 Type: Film
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Then I tried http://ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person.asp?sit=2 and found this:

Samtlige personer i husstanden
Odense, Lunde, Lunde, Fremmelev Bye, , 3, FT-1787, A4230
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:

Ditløf Jørgensøn 71 gift Hosbond Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Karen Madsdaatter 69 gift Madmoder [Ditløf Jørgensøn]
Mads Ditløfsøn 37 gift "Hosbondens Søn" [Ditløf Jørgensøn] Bonde
Maren Rasmusdaatter 34 gift "Hosbondens Søns Kone"[Mads Ditløfsøn]
Karen Madsdaatter 9 ugift "Hosbondens Søns 4 Børn" [Mads Ditløfsøn]
Rasmus Madsøn 7 ugift "Hosbondens Søns 4 Børn" [Mads Ditløfsøn]
Maria Madsdaatter 4 ugift "Hosbondens Søns 4 Børn" [Mads Ditløfsøn]
Ditløf Madsøn 2 ugift "Hosbondens Søns 4 Børn" [Mads Ditløfsøn]
Christopher Christensøn 20 ugift Tienestekarl
Karen Jørgensdaatter 31 ugift Tienestepige
Jacob Nielsøn 15 ugift Tienestedreng

If this is your family, and you really have to check it carefully, you have
both Rasmus parents and paternal grandparents !

Take care

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:19 PM
Subject: [DANISH-ROOTS] Rasmus Madsen/Ane Hansdatter


> Dear Listers,
> I am having a great deal of difficulty finding the birth of the above
> mentioned . Rasmus should be in Odense in 1780 and Ane (his wife) in 1812
> probably in the same region. I have found their marriage record and thanks
> to Martin I have Rasmus' death record. I cannot seem to get on to
> Arkivalier and I dont understand their instuctions because I don't speak
> computer. I wanted to know their parents names but even spending hours on
> the LDS site none seems to be just right.
> Any further suggestions anyone?
> Many thanks,
> Jill in hot and dry Melbourne, Australia
>
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