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From: "Stephen Kelsey" <>
Subject: Re: [DK] Kruse/Langskov kirkebog on web
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 09:46:07 -0600
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Ian, Thank you for this information. When next at the FHL here in SLC, I
will try to see if I can learn any more about these titles. They may have
something there.
Steve Kelsey


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Westergaard" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: [DK] Kruse/Langskov kirkebog on web


> Hi Steve
>
> As I understand it Kammerraad was an honourary title bestowed on prominent
> citizens by the King. It did not necessarily entail any particular duties
> and is part of a system somewhat similar to the British honours system. My
g
> grandfather was made "Konferensraad" when he retired, I don't know whether
> this is higher or lower ranking than Kammeraad.
>
> A word of caution - there is no substitute for viewing the original
records
> yourself.
>
> Ian Westergaard
> In Sunny Cold & Frosty Central Otago
> New Zealand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Kelsey" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [DK] Kruse/Langskov kirkebog on web
>
>
> A period of the Langskov church records are on the web. I came across the
> baptisms, marriages, and deaths a little bit ago. They may be of interest
> to others:
>
>
http://www.milloup.dk/hvh/download/kb_vejle_amt/langskov_begr_1746_1814.htm
>
> If you look at 1758 burials you can see(this is for Hans Kruse(s/o Jacob
> Kruse) and his wife Elizabeth Vinding)
>
> 59a 1758 Begr. Commerceråd Kruses liden datter Kirstine
> A little later on it says Kammerråd and for his wife it says
> Kammerrådinde
>
> His son and heir, Anders Vinding Kruse(he and his wife had no children),
> apparently was able to take the same position as the father as the census
> entries for him show the following:
>
> 1.chambercounceler, owner og Hvolgaard. The manor was sold in 1812 to
> dr.juris.Munkebjerg
> had no children
> 2.Vejle, Nøørvang, Langskov, Hvolgaard hovedgaard, , , 1, FT-1801
> Following fields are shown:
> Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place
> Anders Vinding Kruse, 49, gift, Husbond, Propritair, landvææsens commisair
> med kammerraadsrang,
> Ane Christine Munckeberg, 33, gift, Hans kone, ,
> Laurencie Christiane Fugl, 26, ugift, Tjenestepige, Husholderske,
> Cathrine Vincentine Frisch, 21, ugift, Tjenestepige, Tjenestepige,
> Karen Marie, 24, ugift, Tjenestepige, Tjenestepige,
> Maren Christensdatter, 24, ugift, Tjenestepige, Tjenestepige,
> Maren Jensdatter, 16, ugift, Tjenestepige, Tjenestepige,
> Ane Marie Bertelsdatter, 22, ugift, Tjenestepige, Tjenestepige,
> Maren Nielsdatter, 9, ugift, Tjenestepige, Tjenestepige,
> Søøren Nielsen, 45, gift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Anders Jensen, 32, ugift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Stephan Christensen, 20, ugift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Peder Nielsen, 22, ugift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Anders Christensen, 21, ugift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Jens Jensen, 53, gift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Christian Andersen, 28, ugift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Svend Nielsen, 58, gift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Søøren Laursen, 15, ugift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
> Peder Bendixen, 12, ugift, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestekarl,
>
> My direct descendant was a brother just younger than Anders, Hans Hansen
> Kruse(1753-1811).
> He married to Henrietta Birgitte Flindt(a daughter to Henrich August
Flindt
> and Wilhelmina Charlotte Merckel) Henrietta's brother was "General"
Henrich
> Flindt, I.e.
> 1. [183] korpr.livgarden til Hest, 29-10-1777 sec.löjtn 4.Husaresk.,
> 01-05-1780 2.Husar
> rgmt, 18-02-1785 kornetsnr m sec.löjtn.gage, 23-12-1785 sec.löjtn.,
> 30-05-1788
> prem.löjtn m sec.löjtn.gage 2.husarkorps, 11-12-1789 sec.ryttm Husarrgmt,
> 01-01-1794 kommandör 1.eskadron, 20-03-1795 eskadronchef, 17-07-1803
karakt.
> major, 29-08-1806 prem.major, 09-10-1809 överstelöjt, 28-04-1810 Prins
Fred.
> Ferd. rgmt lette dragoner,14-04-1814 överste à la suite,
kavalleriinspektör,
> 28-06-1809 R*, 13-06-1812 kammarherre, 28-10-1817 DM, 25-05-1826 K
> [182] [SOURCE] Enkekassen
>
> The Flindts intermarried extensively with von Munthe af Morganstierne and
de
> Benzon and one took the name de Flindt. It is apparent that this Kruse
> family had some standing. As to how they achieved that status and how
Jacob
> Kruse(md Elizabeth Bang) was able to purchase or obtain Hvolgaard is what
I
> am trying to learn in an attempt to find Jacob's or Elizabeth's parentage.
>
> Steve Kelsey
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Westergaard" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [DK] Kruse
>
>
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > > Can someone advise what commercecounceloer would do? Also must he >
> have
> > had some education and means to attain such a status?
> >
> > It might be easier to start with the original Danish for
> > "commercecounceloer", do you have it?
> >
> > On my map Hvolgård appears to be quite a sizeable property. I can't find
a
> > Hammergaard except in Hammer Sogn, Kær Herred, Ålborg Amt which is a
long
> > way from Hvolgård.
> >
> > Ian Westergaard
> > In Sunny Cold & Frosty Central Otago
> > New Zealand
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Kelsey" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 4:35 PM
> > Subject: [DK] Kruse
> >
> >
> > > I have traced my Kruse family quite well to Jacob Kruse and Elisabeth
> Bang
> > of
> > > Hvolgaard, Langskov. Hvolgaard or Hvelgaard apparently is quite an
> > extensive property from what I have read. Can someone provide any more
> > information here?
> > >
> > > Their son, Hans Kruse, b. 1722, d. 1765, landowner,
commercecounceler,
> > owner to Hvolgaard and Hammergaard. Married to Elisabeth Marie Vinding,
> > daughter of rector Anders Vinding (b. 1685, d 1752)(for the
> Storing,Stjaer,
> > and Galten congregations) and wife Kristine Cathrine, b. Lihme.
> > > Can someone advise what commercecounceloer would do? Also must he
have
> > had some education and means to attain such a status?
> > >
> > > I am much interested in extending the parentage of Jacob Kruse and
> > Elisabeth Bang and have wondered how he acquired such a valuable
property
> > whether by marriage or? When I saw a Kruse connection to Frederick I
> > thought he may have acquired some means there but apparently not.
> > >
> > > Steve Kelsey
>
>
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