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From: "Darls" <>
Subject: Re: [DK] I think your ancestor had a *sailing name* [was: Leudwick Martin & Engleborg??]
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:37:46 +1100
References: <003f01c60b96$3f796c80$12691bd3@homeu3592uv1vp> <43B79842.35CAA84E@alphalink.com.au>


Dear Lesley

Thanks so much for your help - with the links Rock & others have given me,
I too spent all day New Years Day going through all the Danish Census with
no luck - I must be getting better at researching in Denmark - it only took
me about 20 entries to decide that we only have half of his name - lol. I
guess this is a brick wall that cannot be knocked down

Thanks so much again for your time
Kindest regards
Darlene in Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lesley Albertson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: [DK] I think your ancestor had a *sailing name* [was: Leudwick
Martin & Engleborg??]


> Hi Darlene,
>
> My Danish e-pal and I have been trawling through the Folketælling
> (Census) records:
>
> http://ddd.dda.dk/d4/dddweb/asp/dddform.asp
>
> and (without wanting to depress you) we don't think your ancestor's
> complete name was Ludwig/Ludvig MARTIN.
>
> Assuming the age is correct (or nearly so), the choice comes down to
> these:
>
> ***
> FT 1845
> Ludvig Martin Lauritzen age 2 - Odense
> Christian Ludvig Martin Pedersen age 2 - Randers
> Martin Ludvig Lieberkind age 1 year - Frederiksborg
> Carl Ludvig Gottfried Martin Lesser age 1/2 year - København
> ***
>
> And, I might also toss in this one:
>
> ***
> FT 1845
> Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested
> Christiane Schyum, 56 , Enke, , Lever af haandarbeide, København
> Cathrine Marie Schyum, 28 , Ugift, , Hendes datter, København
> *Ludvig Adolph Ludvigsen, 2 , Ugift, , Pleiebarn, søn af fraværende
> sømand Ludvigsen, København
> ***
>
> (Ludvig Adolph, adopted child, son of departing seaman Ludvigsen).
>
> So, how did the name change happen? Short answer is, sailors on English
> ships needed to have a name that other sailors could pronounce :-))
> Also, a string of names might be chopped down to just two ... which
> might or might not include his patronym.
>
> For example, the National Australian Archives has a naturalization
> record for this chap:
>
> ***
> Title
> Martin Ludvig Jensen - Naturalization
> Item barcode
> 35753 Series number
> A1 Series accession number
> <snip>
> ***
>
> Not necessarily your ancestor ... indeed, he probably is *not* ... but
> he would not be the first to chop off a common-or-garden Patronym :-))
>
> Confused? Well, try to digest what I have said, and read the FAQs for
> this list ... and then maybe post the children's names to this list, and
> we may be able to help some more.
>
> (Names of the children are often a good clue to Ancestral names, if the
> traditional Danish naming pattern was used).
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Lesley
> (In grey, overcast Melbourne, Australia)
>
> Darls wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > His name was Lewis Martin (occupation listed as seaman)
> > b abt 1847 in Denmark to above parents who have eluded me for years. As
you can see I don't have a last name for his mother and unfortunatley it was
listed as unknown on his death certificate. From the bits I have put
together so far - I think he would of left Denmark when he was abt 20 so
around 1867 as he then went to New Zealand where he married an english lady
Susan Blight. Married in NZ in 1878 had 5 children there (one named William
Adolph, Engelborg again after his mum and Lauritz Carl - are these Danish
names?) and within 5 or 6 years he was living in Melbourne Australia and
went on to have another 5 children one of whom is my great grand mother who
I lived with most of my young life.
>
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