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From: "Ann King" <>
Subject: Re: [DEV] WARREN OR CARSLAKE AT SIDBURY
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:45:57 +0100
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Thank you very much for your information, Andy. I have not replied more
rapidly because I have been trying to work out who 'my' Thomas Warren might
have been if he was not the son of John Warren and Susanna Hook. There are
one or 2 possibilities which will need cross checking.

However - starting from what I do know: (a) my Thomas died in 1816 (because
that was the year in which his will was proved), and (b) he was 'of Sand
Barton in the parish of Sidbury' (from the inscription referring to his
daughter Susanna on a Newman tomb in Sidbury). I take this to be the present
day Sand Farm.

Thomas Warren's will mentions his 3 daughters - Susanna Newman, Elizabeth
Bishop and Jane Chown, and their respective husbands. There had been an
elder daughter, Mary Burrow/Burrough who had died of cancer in 1806 -
neither she nor he husband were mentioned, but 2 of her 5 childen living at
the time the will was written, Thomas and John, were mentioned, along with
his 27 other living grandchildren.

This will is not difficult to read compared with one I have been looking at
yesterday - that of Nicholas Warren of Mincombe in Sidbury. Written in 1759,
it is 25 pages long and full or repetitive information about inheritance,
marriage settlements and rights to different properties and land. Nicholas
apparently owned the copyholds of much of Sidbury and had clearly amassed
quite a bit of wealth.

I am not sure where Nicholas was born. According to Barbara Softly's
'Tapping at the Garden Gate' his great uncle (also Nicholas) was
churchwarden in Sidbury. It seems that the Nicholas who wrote the will in
1759 (and died in Sidbury in 1760) had connections with Musbury, and it was
in all likelihood his parish of origin, since he leaves money in his will
for the Poor of both Sidbury and Musbury.

In the will Nicholas refers to Nicholas Warren the elder 'my deceased uncle'
and 'Agnes his then wife'; as well as to 'William Warren, late of Sidbury,
gent, uncle of Nicholas Warren the elder'.

Nicholas also refers to a close of land in Musbury 'called Axwater... now in
the possession of my brother Thomas Warren's family'.

The IGI has a Thomas Warren bap in Musbury in 1693, son of John; and there
is a supposed IGI birth of a Nicholas Warren, son of John in Musbury in
1695. Thomas had a son called (not surprisingly!)Thomas, born in Musbury in
1736. There is a chance this could be 'my' Thomas.

I know that only Warren enthusiasts will have had the patience to read this
far, but I would be grateful if any of them have any light to shed on this.

Best wishes

Ann


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