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From: "Stephen T. Squires" <>
Subject: [DISBROW] Please Take Note...
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:26:13 -0400


I will ALSO be posting the Marriages/Burials "VR" material for Eltisley
Disbrows, 17th c., just as soon as possible over the next week.
Further, I meant to note for your attention that another
"contradiction" from our recent debate has just bit the dust too. This
concerns why there should have been TWO children listed close in time to one
another for the very same parents (come on now, you guys please point this
stuff out too, isn't fair to just keep mum, enter the "debates"!). Of
course, the reason for this can be readily seen as being due to these
particular VR lists being just for BAPTISMS and not for BIRTHS, thus
allowing for any variance in time as to when children of the same parent
could be listed close to one another.
You will please note that this is exactly the case from my own lists,
in just one parental instance, at least, for the year 1627: see "James
JUNIOR" with TWO listed daughters then baptized within 5 months of one
another (May & Sept.). Obviously, such is NOT an impossibility when dealing
w/ baptisms only, versus BIRTH lists. Also, this "baptism" issue itself
raises interesting points re: the ever growing debate over child baptism as
a ritual church practice, versus the discovered "re-birth" of those adults
born again into a "covenant" with Christ, such as of the Anabaptist
practices, a debate now indicated as going on right here in little old 17th
c. Eltisley! This issue eventually became a very BIG debate, over time,
exactly during the later era of the Puritan Revolution in England:
1640's-60!! We even may be seeing just a small glimpse of this growing
debate then in the following statement recorded in CCL Eltisley "VR"
material (as noted in my previous posting) : "From 1653 to 1657 the dates
are of births not baptisms" (p. 8, CCL "Eltisley Bishop's Transcripts").
THIS issue also recalls one "Rev. Henry Denne," who was a BAPTIST preacher
and who was also pastor at Eltisley in the later Interregnum period in the
village (as I noted recently). He is truly a VERY interesting fellow, about
which I plan much more to say in my book.
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