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From: joyce wilson <>
Subject: Re: [DNA-NEWBIE] Brick wall ? is dna the way to go
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:10:06 -0700
If I understand you correctly, your wifes maternal grandfather (we will call him John) is known to have a father ( lets call him Paul) but you and fellow researchers feel that Pauls sister and another man ( Jim) are probably Johns real father. You would like to know for sure what the genetical line is.
If John had sons and/direct grandson, or if John is still alive, you can have John, or one of his male descendants Y-DNA tested. I suggest at least a 37 marker test. You want to be pretty sure that they are "actual" descendants as this could get expensive and confusing.
Then you have to find a direct male descendant of Paul, or if Paul only had daughters, you will need to find a direct male descendant of Pauls father or Pauls fathers brothers to have them Y-DNA tested. The further you get away from directly known family members, the more chance you have of error. The error being children perported as being someone child but who actually were not.
If there is no match, then you would need to find a direct descendant of Johns suspected father or that suspected fathers brother or uncles.
mtDNa would not do you any good unless "John" had a known sister with the same mother, as unless John is alive and you can take his mtDNA test, you will have no way of knowing what his mtDNA was. John can pass his Y-DNA down to his sons, but he cannot pass his mtDNA down at all.
> From: > To: > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:38:03 +1000> Subject: [DNA-NEWBIE] Brick wall ? is dna the way to go> > Hi all> > I have a situation where all attempts to find documentary evidence of the> birth of my wife's maternal grandfather has failed.> We have tried BMD records, church records, council records, family> reminiscent etc but nothing has been able to be proved, although we did> disprove some of the theories.> > We have both male and female children (not many left) and grandchildren.> > Through researching separately three of us have arrived at the conclusion> that he could only be the child of two people a brother and sister, but for> different reasons we favour the sister as the mother and she married the man> who could probably be the father in the same year as his birth.> This record is available, as is the birth of two girls born to this couple> and the second daughter is born at about the time that his father is said to> have died and he was placed in care with another family, who received> financial assistance and care was later changed to another family.> To further confirm our suspicions that the girl was the mother, his eldest> daughter went with him to visit a women she believed was his mother, but the> visit did not go well and she did not want to know him. The woman had> remarried and had further children with the second husband and was living> where the sister had moved with second husband and the name was correct.> The name of one of the brothers was referred to by Pa as his uncle. The name> given as his father on his marriage certificate is the same as that of the> brothers and sisters mentioned above.> We have also learned that he could not read, which would explain the need> for the eldest daughter to go with him on the visit.> > We are currently searching for records of the descendents of the siblings of> his suspected parents.> > I have been reading about DNA until I think my head must rattle with the> information.> > My questions are:> > Could DNA solve this question?> Would it be best to do Y and mt DNA?> There is a name study on YDNA and of course there is the British 2 study.> Would you try the name study first to see if the with YDNA from Pa's son and> grandsons before going further ahead with other testing?> > Any thought or ideas would be appreciated.> regards> > Bob May> Sunshine Coast> > > _____ > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.> It has removed 1964 spam emails to date.> Paying users do not have this message in their emails.> Try SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now!> > > > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:> > > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list.> Other people can learn from them!> > ~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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