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From: "Linda McKenna" <>
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Horvath from Progar or Indija
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:12:46 -0400
References: <608887.61689.qm@web52709.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


HI. Just found a Horvath in the family line, just my luck to find out what
a common name this is : )
My Horvath is Stefan who married Louise (Luise) BAUTZ (PAUTZ) daughter
of Friedrich and Emilie Kirschner BAUTZ. Emilie was still living in
Kowatschi (Temeskovacsi/Covaci) in 1915 and probably later. Kowatschi is
10km north of Timisoara/Temeswar.
any hints?
Linda Bautz McKenna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt McCrary" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Horvath from Progar or Indija


Hello Eve,
I know that we have not connected the Horvath families yet but I thought
this was interesting. It was sent to me a few years ago from a Sotin
Villager who translated this part from Croatian to English.
It was taken from the book «Historical Notes of Sotin» by Rev. Ferdo
Gerstner Summary: http://www.dvhh.org/sotting/intro.htm#REF-BOOKS

It is apparent Father Gerstner did care much for one of the Horvaths in
Sotin, not sure he appreciated his singing either...;-)

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Horvath surname is originally Hungarian surname denoting Hungarians which
have Croatian ethnic origins or the Croatians that lived under Hungarian
authorities (for example in Backo Novo Selo in Backa teritory, on the other
side of Danube river). Later many of them declared themselves (or were
assimilated) as Croatian again. Now, this is the most frequent surname in
Croatia as "Horvat" - no "h" on the end. Even in the period you are looking
for you must parallely browse Horvath and Horvat records because how it was
written in the books depended on Parish priest. Some of them made changes to
the surnames according to Croatian language and replaced "th" with "t".
In this book, I found information listed down which mentions the Horvath
family. I have to mention that the book covers mostly families with
Croatian origins and mentions somewhere German and Hungarians even if they
were majority (there was always some tensions regarding, language in
schools, on masses etc.).

1. Ivan Horvat, born 1840, was a teacher in Sotin 1901-1917. He felt like
Hungarian as his ancestors felt. He was born in Erdevik, son of local clerk,
was lazy, didn't want to study and finished only basic school (4 years). He
liked to sing during the masses and had strong voice. When the teacher in
Nestin dies, bishop heard him singing strong, and after he learned that he
knows to read and write, offered him teaching in village of Nestin. When in
1975 was declared a law that teachers should have teaching schools finished,
he was fired, and moved from one place to another always serving as
temporary replacement. He served as teacher in Nestin (1870-8), Opatovac
(1878-86), Erem (near Ruma) 1886-91), Kaniza (near Slavonski Brod) 1891-3,
Kupina (1893-5), Svinjarevci (1895-7), Cerevic (1897-901) and Ovcara (near
Sotin) 1901-17. From 1918. he moved to Slavonski Brod, living in his own
house. The book says he was a lousy teacher, because teacher didn't have any
knowledge,
children just written in their books what he wrote on the table, and read
all in one voice. Many children didn't learn to write and read.
****sorry, I just write down what the priest has written***
2. It mentions Horvat surname as two houses in Sotin whose surname denotes
that they are Croatian familes assimilated to Hungarians, and that they came
from Backa (other side of Danube river). One of Horvat's didn't own the
house they lived in (in that time it was important whether you owned the
house or not).
======================================
Its very possible that the Novo Selo Horvath family (Alice is talking about)
is related to the Sotin family as the People of Novoselo, Batschka are very
much intertwined with those of Sotin.

Best regards
Kurt

wrote: Eve,

If no one comes up with a better suggestion, I have the OSB for Batschka
Novo
Selo which was also called Neudorf; however, Novo Selo and Petro Selo may or
may not be the same village that was referred to in your research. This
village is just above the southern branch of the Danube and is just across
the river
from Lovas in Syrmia. It is between Plavna and Palanka in what used to be
the
very southwestern/south-central part of the Batschka. There is one page of
Horvath surnames in the book. Most of the spouses surnames on the page
appear to
be Hungarian or Serbian. What names are you looking for? It's worth
checking,
don't you think? If it is not the right village, at least we will have
elimenated one place.

Alice in Michigan
"Anneliese Connections"


In a message dated 22.1.07 12:47:06 AM, writes:

<< I am looking for HORVATH from the villages of Progar and possibly Indija.
I
don't know if there is a heimat buch for Progar or not, but information I
was given said that my father's uncle owned a mill - lumber mill - I believe
in that village in the early 1900s, my father talked of working with his
Uncle Imre and cousins instead of going to school at the time of WWI. Any
information would be greatly appreciated.

This family was first in Petrovo Selo - their are several, but I know they
were Hungarian, and in one document I received from a cousin in Croatia this
was written - Batschka Petrovo Selo. Any ideas where this is?

Thanks,

Eve >>


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