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From: Hans Kopp <>
Subject: Re: [DVHH] DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 284
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:01:50 -0400


Time heals.

Us survivor of the post war Genocide are making the best of our lives and we
can not be angry all the time it would make us miserable. However, we should not
Forget we must let our children know that we were dealt the worst hand in the deck of
cards of WWII.

It was not our doing and we can not be blamed. However, we should
not forgive either, at least I will not forgive, for what inhumae treatment many of
our people had to suffer through and thousands of them had to die. I am a witness
I have seen many sufferings and many die a cruel death. I have been there I did survive
and I am compelled to tell the story for you to know.

It is nice to hear other stories

Best regards
Hans Kopp
From: : DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 284To: : Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:04:17 -0600
--Forwarded Message Attachment--From: : : Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:32:24 -0400Subject: [DVHH] 1945 Schlepping to RussiaFor those of you who have not read documentation of the herding of the Donauschwaben to Russia in 1945, please go to the semlak site at: www.dvhh.org/semlak where the journal of a young man tells the story of his being taken in cattle cars to Russia to work in the coal mines; there is also another document of the remembrances of another fellow who survived the ordeal. Three of my cousins who still live and are in their 80s lived through the five years of slave labor. What is remarkable is that they are not filled with hatred or anger--rather, they are sweet old women who enjoy the life they now have. On the site there are also some pictures of women in the their coveralls worn in the camps. Rose Mary
--Forwarded Message Attachment--From: : : Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:13:23 -0400Subject: Re: [DVHH] DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 283 Thanks for your responce and contribution. For the first time, Archive documents were released on 28, March 1994,It was the first time for Vojvodina, 22 labor camps were released, with 96,769 persons involved. Included were 24,403, children, 19,953 persons over the age of 65, and 52,413, working persons. The Belgrade Newspaper "Politika" reported the Russians deported 3,121, persons, mainly women, to Siberia, in late 1944. The deportation began on 25, 1944, and lasted until the beginning of 1945. Deported were the men between the ages of 17 and 45, the women from 18 and 40. Partisans Commandos did the operations. I am not certain where the Serbs did get their information, I have no time to check it out now for verification, however in Genocide Pages 163-166 of the English edition published in Munich ISBN 3-926276-17-9 or Genocide published in the USA (you might be able to purchase in Mansfield) as well as in my Book you will find all the statistics.We do know it was at least 70,000 of our men and women deported to Russia. We also know that the total casualties of all Donauschwaben in Yugoslavia are listed as 85,399. These are only the persons which could be documented. There was more which could not be documented. The "Politika" talks about 22 working camps but does not mention the death camps, we can compare with such camps as Auschwitz, Mauthausen or Dachau. Seven of such camps did exist and I am a survivor of one of them. Hope to see you in Mansfield and discuss some of our intrests Gruss Hans KoppFrom: : DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 283To: : Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:03:38 -0600--Forwarded Message Attachment--From: : : Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:11:01 -0600Subject: [DVHH] Siberia. Hello Hans, Yes, you are correct, some of our people were forced to go the Siberia. Since I'm not from the formerly Yugoslavia, - some of you probable Know already some of the information. Friends who experienced the ordeal gave some of the information to me. 'Franz Kumher,"(form. Yugoslavia) in one of his article describes the Donauschwaben suffering in 1945. For the first time, Archive documents were released on 28, March 1994, It was the first time for Wojwodina, 22 labour camps were released, with 96,769 persons involved. Included were 24,403, children, 19,953 persons over the age of 65, and 52,413, working persons. The Belgrade Newspaper "Politika" reported, the Russians deported 3,121, persons, mainly women, to Siberia, in late 1944. The deportation began on 25, 1944, and lasted until the beginning of 1945. Deported were the men between the ages of 17 and 45, the women from 18 and 40. Partisans Commandos did the operations. The transport trains in the Batschka, originated in Sombor; Apatin; Kula; Hodschag; and Neusatz. In the Serbian-Banat, in Gross-Kikinda; Grossbetschkerek and Werschetz. They were transported by freight trains, Between 35-40, persons per freight car. Up to 50, freight trains, with Donauschwaben left the Batschka and Banat, under the supervision of the Russian Army. Their route was, travelled through Belgrade, (form. Yugoslavia), up North to Romania, through Temeswar, then to Iasi, Account, the rail track in the Soviet Union, are wider than some countries in Europe, the Donauschwabens people had to transfer to the Russian trains. While doing the transferring, they were stoned by standard. (Note: - some Romanian Donauschwaben, were standing on the platform at railroad station in Temeswar, waiting for their train to take them to their villages. While waiting for their train to arrive, - a foreign train pulled into the Temeswar station, in the front of the engine, a sign read, 'RUSSIA." As the train pulled into the station in Temeswar, some women with their head through the windows and said. In a dialect "Pass uf, ir kommt aa tron," (Look out, your turn is coming). - 'Sii hole uns uf Siberien," (They are taking us to Siberia) In Romanian Banat, that was our first notice, what to expect in the future. On January 14, 1945, it did happen.) There were 208 labours camps throughout Russia and Siberia. The main labour camp in Siberia was at Cerepovece. One in the Volga; in the 'Ural," there 8; Kaukasus 2; 198, in the Ukraine. Some of the work performed was; - construction, factory, farming, most of the coal mines were in the Ukraine. Between 16 and 20 percent of the Donauschwaben died in Russia, from starvation, illness, etc.. In 1946, a train full with very sick people were transported through Romania. They were held at the Romanian, Hungarian and Yugoslavia, for over six weeks, because Yugoslavia did not let them re enter Yugoslavia, (too ill), Finally, Hungary, took them and transported them direct to Austria. Of course, some of you might have different information or different stories. The previous pictures shown, might've been of Donauschwaben women in Siberia. On the other hand, we have to remember, German people also from Southern German, Alsace-Lorraine, Pfalz, etc. settled in Russia, in the early 1800th, most of them became farmers in the Ukraine area. After Hitler declared War on Russia, some of the German people living in the Ukraine, were transported to the Siberia, Kasastan, and other places in Russia. People like Mr. Adam Mueller's family. who were transported from places to places. Those pictures are shown in the German-Russia, history. Yes you may use the pictures.. In the picture below, is an oil painting sketch, by Juliana Rausch; "Verschleppten Volksdeutdschen Frauen aus Banat, Rumänien, reinigen Tunellen in Russland, Lager Makeieka, 1945-1950. (Deported Donauschwaben women from Banat, Romania, cleaning a tunnel in Russia 1945-1950) (my mother was only 5'11" on her toes, she worked in the coal mine doing the same job.) http://www.rootsweb.com/~romban/coalmine.jpg Alex.www.dvhh.org/ www.knees-im-banat.de --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: : : Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:21:42 -0400Subject: Re: [DVHH] Siberia - Deportation to the USSRThanks, Alex, for a comprehensive review of this sad chapter. I translated a personalized report on the deportation from the (Romanian)Banat, including the repatriation, and extracts from a series of letters. I will forward it all to Jody (and the editorial committee) as soon as sheis able to publish again. Best regards,Nick -----Original Message-----From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of ajleebSent: 15-Jul-07 6:11 PMTo: DVHH-LSubject: [DVHH] Siberia. Hello Hans, Yes, you are correct, some of our people were forced to go the Siberia. Since I'm not from the formerly Yugoslavia, - some of you probable Know already some of the information. Friends who experienced the ordealgave some of the information to me. 'Franz Kumher,"(form. Yugoslavia) in one of his article describes theDonauschwaben suffering in 1945. For the first time, Archive documents were released on 28, March 1994, It was the first time for Wojwodina, 22 labour camps were released, with 96,769 persons involved. Included were 24,403, children, 19,953 persons overthe age of 65, and 52,413, working persons. The Belgrade Newspaper"Politika" reported, the Russians deported 3,121, persons, mainly women, toSiberia, in late 1944. The deportation began on 25, 1944, and lasted until the beginning of 1945.Deported were the men between the ages of 17 and 45, the women from 18 and40. Partisans Commandos did the operations. The transport trains in the Batschka, originated in Sombor; Apatin; Kula; Hodschag; and Neusatz. In the Serbian-Banat, in Gross-Kikinda; Grossbetschkerek and Werschetz. They were transported by freight trains, Between 35-40, persons per freightcar. Up to 50, freight trains, with Donauschwaben left the Batschka andBanat, under the supervision of the Russian Army. Their route was, travelledthrough Belgrade, (form. Yugoslavia), up North to Romania, through Temeswar,then to Iasi, Account, the rail track in the Soviet Union, are wider thansome countries in Europe, the Donauschwabens people had to transfer to theRussian trains. While doing the transferring, they were stoned by standard. (Note: - some Romanian Donauschwaben, were standing on the platform atrailroad station in Temeswar, waiting for their train to take them to theirvillages. While waiting for their train to arrive, - a foreign train pulledinto the Temeswar station, in the front of the engine, a sign read,'RUSSIA." As the train pulled into the station in Temeswar, some women withtheir head through the windows and said. In a dialect "Pass uf, ir kommt aatron," (Look out, your turn is coming). - 'Sii hole uns uf Siberien," (Theyare taking us to Siberia) In Romanian Banat, that was our first notice, what to expect in the future. On January 14, 1945, it did happen.) There were 208 labours camps throughout Russia and Siberia. The main labourcamp in Siberia was at Cerepovece. One in the Volga; in the 'Ural," there 8;Kaukasus 2; 198, in the Ukraine. Some of the work performed was; -construction, factory, farming, most of the coal mines were in the Ukraine. Between 16 and 20 percent of the Donauschwaben died in Russia, fromstarvation, illness, etc.. In 1946, a train full with very sick people were transported throughRomania. They were held at the Romanian, Hungarian and Yugoslavia, for oversix weeks, because Yugoslavia did not let them re enter Yugoslavia, (tooill), Finally, Hungary, took them and transported them direct to Austria. Of course, some of you might have different information or differentstories. The previous pictures shown, might've been of Donauschwaben women inSiberia. On the other hand, we have to remember, German people also fromSouthern German, Alsace-Lorraine, Pfalz, etc. settled in Russia, in theearly 1800th, most of them became farmers in the Ukraine area. After Hitler declared War on Russia, some of the German people living in theUkraine, were transported to the Siberia, Kasastan, and other places inRussia. People like Mr. Adam Mueller's family. who were transported fromplaces to places. Those pictures are shown in the German-Russia, history. Yes you may use thepictures.. In the picture below, is an oil painting sketch, by Juliana Rausch;"Verschleppten Volksdeutdschen Frauen aus Banat, Rumänien, reinigen Tunellenin Russland, Lager Makeieka, 1945-1950. (Deported Donauschwaben women fromBanat, Romania, cleaning a tunnel in Russia 1945-1950) (my mother was only5'11" on her toes, she worked in the coal mine doing the same job.) http://www.rootsweb.com/~romban/coalmine.jpg Alex.www.dvhh.org/ www.knees-im-banat.de *****"Reply-All" to the DVHH list and give a thank you to the one who providedinformation for you. The acknowledgement is appreciated and offers hope toothers who are searching for clues to the lives of their ancestors. -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email with the word 'unsubscribe'without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --Forwarded Message Attachment--From: : : Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:16:08 -0700Subject: [DVHH] Russian Labor CampsHi: In response to Alex Leeb's account of Donauschwabian men and women being transported to Russian Labor CAmps, I would like to add that in Gakowa, on December 28, 1945 over 100 men and women were taken to Sombor and from there transported to the Ukraine via railroad cars. My seventeen year old cousin, Tobias Brandt, was among them. He is still alive and often talks about his journey and the work he did there. I am trying to keep a journal from his information so that one day his grandchildren will know what happened to him. He told us that it took three weeks to get to the Ukraine in a crowded train, without any toilet facilities, heat or food. Luckily some of the people had brought food and shared with him. There is a book called "Allein die Hoffnung hielt uns am Leben" by Hedwig Stieber-Ackermann. It is in German published by Farca Verlag ISBN 3-9803759-2-7. I have read it several times. It is very good. Katherine Flotz, Author A Pebble in my Shoe _________________________________________________________________Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! Find it!http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01
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