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From: "Gary Banzhaf" <>
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Deported, Dislocated Ancestors
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:02:41 -0500
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Hi Hans, as a historian of Ungarlaendische Deutsche you have tried to answer
a historical question.Your segment sways into different information,
answers. I do not know historically much of the German settlers that went
into the Hungarian lowland. Much I have read is from the "Schwabenzuege"
written by AM Guttenbrunn before WWI.

2nd, you have got the name Donauschwaben invented during the Bismarck Empire
- wrong. The founder of Das Deutsche Reich reigned before the Name
Donauschwabe was tagged in the middle of 1920 by a Stuttgarter Scientist and
a Geographer from Austria. But this was not the Lady's main question. - You
are corrected already, no need to send another "historical fact" (post) in.

Pour clear wine into the glass not "gepanschter" - a diluded one.

Gruss

Gary



----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Kopp" <>
To: "Sandra Bruns" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Deported, Dislocated Ancestors


Hi Sandra
You
have a very valid question and I am the person that can help you answer most
of
your question as an historian of the Ungarländischen Deutschen, as they were
called.

First
you need to understand that all Germans did settled in Hungary after the
Turkish war in the late 17th Century and the
beginning of the 18th Century.
After
the First World War, the settlement regions of the Germans in Hungary with a
population of more than 1,500,000 people was divided. Now you find them in
Hungary, Romania and
the newly formed Yugoslavia. In order to identify the Germans under one
collective name the Bismarck Government adapted the name Donauschwaben so as
not to disappear as a culture. Thus Donauschwaben became the youngest
Germanic Folksgoup
identifying the Ungarländischen Deutschen as one group in all three
countries.
Now
to the more or less Germans as you placed your question.
The
people expelled and or deported to Russia were definitely selected based on
their
German names on mixed marriages. If the mixed marriages had Hungarian or
Serbian names
they were spared the ordeal but with German names expelled or deported.
Now
after our expulsion and incarceration into the death camps of Gakowa,
Hungarian from the
Hungarian town of Doroslo with German names were also expelled and I recall
this very well since they were added to our endless track of 3,500 people
from
my home town.
These
people were released from the death camp after three or four months which
gave
us all false hopes to be released also, but it was not to be. No I do not
know if poeple from other Hungarian towns such as Kupusina were also
expelled nor do I know if the poeple deported to Russia were released.
I
have written several articles of my experiences for your reading.
Gruss
Hans


________________________________
From: Sandra Bruns <>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:23 AM
Subject: [DVHH] Deported, Dislocated Ancestors

I think that my family was actually a Hungarian family and a German Family
mixed marriage. When deportation occurred would the "Hungarian"s have been
deported too or would they have been left and the more Germans taken? What
happened to the propertys/businesses owned by the families that were
deported? I ask this question because it seems that there may have been
more of the "Hungarian" side of my ancestors that remained in the old
country and more of the "German" ancestors left?

--
Sandra


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