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From: Lynn S Teague <>
Subject: Re: early american dukes and there ancestry in england
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:08:07 -0700 (MST)


On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Foxlover wrote:
> thank you for the letter!
> you have much interesting information, the sourse of the marriage of
thomas
> and marie barham is the LDS IGI which was extracted from parish
registers,
> The source for the parentage of thomas Duke is a email address called
allyhoo

Thanks! However, we can't be sure that the Thomas Duke of the IGI is the
son of Edward Duke of Kent. By the 17th century there were Duke families
(many related) in every southern county of England. Mostly they derive
from the Norman family established by Roger le Duc, Mayor of London under
Richard the Lionhearted, and perhaps a few other Norman relatives of the
same time period in the London area.

An English Duke family member has been posting some of my English family
research at <http://www.cogent-comms.co.uk/duke/default.htm>;. I haven't
checked in the past few weeks to see how far he has gotten but you might
want to look at that as well. I don't guarantee the connections I've made,
but it is primary research from published English government records and
related documents. You seem to share my interest in the early beginnings
of the family; I find it a fascinating way to get at English history,
among other things.

> It sounds as if you have done alot of research, who do you have as the
parents
> of thomas duke that married marie barham,

On this I'm not sure.

who are the siblings that you
have
> for edward duke that married margaret brockman,

I have Sir Edward Duke of Cossington, Aylesford, Kent, born about 1565,
knighted 1607, married first Margaret Brockman, daughter of William
Brockman of Kent, married second Jane Russell, daughter of Robert Russell.
By the first marriage I have listed the children George, who married
Frances Smith; Jane who married Henry Wyatt, son of Siri Henry Wyatt, Fov.
VA 1621-26, 1639; and Edward, who married Marie ?.

who do you show as the
father
> of william duke that married cicely poer?

I have a John Duke as father of William Duke that married Cicely Poer, but
not necessarily a John Duke of Sherborne, Dorset. John Duke appears in
English records in 1428 when he was appointed by the king as a tax
commissioner for the Boddleigh and Wonford hundreds, in Devonshire. John
married a Shelston, which is not a Devonshire family, but may be the
Oxfordshire Shelston family that could have been connected with the Duke
family there.

William Duke married Cecily Poer, of the Poer family mentioned in my
previous message. (The Poers are an extremely interesting family as
well.) William Duke of Exeter may have married more than once,
and may have maintained residences in both Exeter and London.
(Alternatively there were two William Dukes of Exeter at this time, which
seems less likely.) In 1448 he and his wife at that time, Juliana, were
granted a papal indult to have a portable altar:
"To William Duke, nobeleman, lord of divers places [not named], and
Juliana
his wife, noblewoman, of the diocese of Exeter."
This was confirmed in 1449-50, providing a bit more locational
information:
Item simile altare portatile pro nobiili viro Willelmo Duke, nonnullorum
locorum domino Londoniensis diocesis, salutem, etc., sub simili data ut
supra, etc. (Pe . . . Martii, as in the preceding.)
These references establish that William Duke and his wife Juliana of
Exeter maintained residences in both the Diocese of London and that of
Exeter.

There are other references to members of the Duke family in southern
Devon
during this period, but they might well belong to a non-Otterton Duke
line in the county. For example, in 1421, Peter Duke was appointed Vicar
of Harberton,
Devon, by Edmund Lacy, Bishop of Exeter. He was previously mentioned in
connection with his appointment as a papal chaplain and other events in
his career.

The Duke family of Poer-Hayes at Otterton, Devonshire, is ancestral to the
Duke family of Barbados, derived from Humphrey Duke who was granted a
plantation in Barbados in 1630. They are also ancestral to the Edward Duke
family of Kent (there is another Duke family in Kent as well, from the
time of the Norman conquest), and to the Duke family of Lake House,
Wiltshire.

The line seems to derive from the same Norman origins as the Duke family
of Suffolk, which I believe is a more likely origin for the Virginia
family than the Kent family. Evelyn Brandenberger (to whom I'm very
grateful for all her excellent work) indicated that she could not find a
Virginia connection for the Suffolk family, other than Elizabeth Duke who
married Bacon the rebel. However, George Duke of Wandsworth was of this
family, and was Secretary of the Committee for Trade under Charles II.
There are other trade/Virginia connections earlier that do appear to link
the Suffolk family with VA, although none that have led me to any very
specific connection or proof of origin.

I does interest me that George Duke of Wandsworth married Katharine
Barham, daughter of Richard Barham of Wandsworth. (Wandsworth, by the way,
is now simply part of London.) However, this is a bit late for the Barham
connection with Virginia that was described by Brandenberger. However, I
suspect it is part of the tangled web of relationships within which the
Virignia family origins rests.

Lynn

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