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From: Bill & Pat Galovich <>
Subject: Re: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D Digest V99 #300
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:42:42 -0700


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> Subject:
>
> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 300
>
> Today's Topics:
> #1 GRACIE/HOLIDAY ["Gregor J. Wright" <]
> #2 GRACIE/ADAMSON ["Gregor J. Wright" <]
> #3 Re: One Name Study ["Antony Ivan Smith" <.]
> #4 Re: Off topic- One Name Study ["Antony Ivan Smith" <.]
> #5 BELL / GILLESPIE / WILSON. ["Hayden" <]
> #6 RE: One name study...PAF ["David Rowan" <.]
> #7 Pictures of Dumfries and Galloway ["Ken Harvey" <]
> #8 Re: Pictures of Dumfries and Gallo []
> #9 RE: Pictures of Dumfries and Gallo [Juli <>]
> #10 Census ["Charles & Carol" <]
> #11 John Haston(Heaston) -new info [sherry mirkovic <]
> #12 Pictures of Dumfries [may schulte <]
> #13 Off Topic?-On-line Library Catalou [Chris & Sheila Hale <]
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> Subject: GRACIE/HOLIDAY
> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:29:01 -0400
> From: "Gregor J. Wright" <>
> To:
>
> Good evening,
>
> Just curious if anyone is researching this Dumfries family:
>
> George GRACIE married Margaret HOLIDAY on 26/01/1770 in Morton, Dumfries. They had the following children:
> All were born in Morton region (Carronhill, Thornhill)
>
> John - born 16/12/1770 (my ggggg-grandfather - later married Mary ADAMSON)
> James - born 04/10/1772
> Thomas - born 09/04/1775
> George - born 09/03/1778
> Janet - born 19/05/1780
> Robert - born 29/09/1782
>
> If anyone has any information, or a connection, please let me know. Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gregor J. Wright, President
> Centaur Innovative Technologies, Inc.
> P.O. Box 8766
> Lancaster, PA
> 17604-8766
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> Subject: GRACIE/ADAMSON
> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:55:06 -0400
> From: "Gregor J. Wright" <>
> To:
>
> Good evening,
>
> Just curious if anyone else is researching this Dumfries family:
>
> John GRACIE married Mary ADAMSON in Morton, Dumfries 1789. (John is the son
> of George GRACIE and Margaret HOLIDAY.) They had the following children:
> All were born in Morton region (Carronhill, Thornhill)
>
> Thomas - born 24/10/1790
> Robert - born 04/08/1792
> James - born 13/04/1794
> Janet - born 29/05/1796
> Margaret - born 04/02/1798 (my gggg-grandmother - later married Thomas
> MUIR)
> Mary - born 04/02/1800
> John - born 29/11/1802
> Mary - born 19/12/1803
> Jean - born 05/01/1806
> John - born 20/03/1808
> Robert - born 01/04/1810
> Isobel - born 06/10/1813
>
> Obviously they lost quite a few children and recycled the names (quite
> popular in those days!). If anyone has any information or connections,
> please let me know. Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gregor J. Wright, President
> Centaur Innovative Technologies, Inc.
> P.O. Box 8766
> Lancaster, PA
> 17604-8766
>
>
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> Subject: Re: One Name Study
> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:15:01 -0700
> From: "Antony Ivan Smith" <>
> To:
>
> Hi Larry you owe me an e-mail on your server information!!! I agree with you
> on your note to Sue.
>
> The lineage linked path in GEDCOM developed by the LDS allows seamless
> interface between all of the genealogy programs. PAF was the first product
> they developed and with foresight on their part it is now a real maintained
> standard. There are data exceptions to each GEDCOM file that is passed
> between differing programs they are small and the exception listing allows
> one to fix the data very quickly.
>
> I have worked with computers since 1962 and mostly databases and the
> facility of managing numerous genealogy files by merging, by extracting
> parallel files and still always maintaining the lineage path is exceptional.
> Now I use Ultimate Family Tree as I gave up my DOS based PAF that I had
> since the late 80's like 00096, a pretty low number.
>
> With due respect to Access it is an extraordinary database, the agony of
> building an index database though to compete with what is on the market is
> not worth the effort. Right now in San Luis Obispo the deluxe Version of UFT
> is $5.00 and the one with CD-ROM is $12.00 and PAF is free??. There are many
> others that are just as good that print reports, and generally do everything
> but bring the person back to life.
>
> Simply we can download any ones gedcom file or build from the FHC
> information from their CD's in GEDCOM we can go home and insert into or own
> files. In ACCESS or any other data base that interchange is lost.
>
> Antony IvanSmith
> San Luis Obispo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger E. Montague <>
> To: <>
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 8:05 AM
> Subject: One Name Study
>
> >Hello Sue,
> >
> >As an total technocrat, and sometimes Access Developer, I can't resist
> >jumping in on your question. You didn't state what your motivations were
> >to use Access. If your main object is just to get your information on
> >computer, spend the money and get Family Tree Maker. If cost is an issue,
> >LDS's PAF (DOS) is free.
> >
> >On the other hand, if you want to use Access to practice devoloping an
> >application, or as a study in database design, that's fine too. I can't
> >teach Access via email, but I'd be okay to give you a few design pointers.
> >Be aware that doing a full genealogy database would be a hefty task.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >Roger
> >
> >Roger Montague
> >
> >Minneapolis, Minnesota U.S.A.
> >
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> Subject: Re: Off topic- One Name Study
> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:34:55 -0700
> From: "Antony Ivan Smith" <>
> To:
>
> I found you e-mail after I sent a note to Larry and you.
>
> I would not use a data base for the reasons that I stated. I assumed that
> in a one name study, as I did for the SMITHS in Dumfries, that some of the
> data would be just a single event a death or birth. But some of the records
> give a spouse or parent or both parents, so by using a lineage linked
> program one can maintain that relationship across a single family. I have
> maybe two hundred separate SMITH families in the records with over two
> thousand individuals. Some of these are a single name others tie two or
> three generations or more. It is easy to maintain as all of the sorts are
> pre-done do to speak. I keep the names of spouses as cross references as
> well.
>
> I found in the death records the age of the descendent then I search back
> in PAF or UFT for all births that year and can assign that individual a
> reasonable probability of his actual birth and most instance two records
> become one. This is the way I do it. Good Luck
>
> Antony IvanSmith
> San Luis Obispo CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sue Rand <>
> To: <>
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:24 AM
> Subject: Off topic- One Name Study
>
> >I know this question isn't directly about D&G, I hope you'll bear with me.
> >I'm interested in setting up a One Name Study probably using Microsoft
> >Access, and I need some advice about designing it so that I don't have to
> >re-do it later. Emails to GOONS have gone unanswered. Can anybody advise
> me,
> >or suggest a book or pamphlet on the subject?
> >Please answer direct so I don't strain the goodwill of this list!
> >Sue
> >
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> Subject: BELL / GILLESPIE / WILSON.
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:13:31 +1000
> From: "Hayden" <>
> To:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am researching these surnames from Dumfries, does anyone have these in
> their Family Tree?
>
> Thank you,
> Leanne.
> Hi Leanne: I have a Simon BELL b. 1791 (probably Hoddam, Dumfries) in my tree. I'm presently trying to
> establish a confirmed connection. He travelled to the IOM and married Jane Clague at Lezayre in 1813. Any
> interest? Regards, Pat

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> Subject: RE: One name study...PAF
> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:11:35 -0600
> From: "David Rowan" <>
> To:
>
> To the best of my understanding PAF (Personal Ancestral File)is not
> free....I'm sure that it is very reasonable, since the LDS church is not out
> to make a profit on it, but they sell it through their distribution centers,
> they don't hand it out gratis.
>
> For those of you who use PAF, which is still a DOS based product (rather
> than windows). Or if you would like the power of PAF but still want to use a
> Windows product try Ancestral Quest. I've been using it for some time and
> prefer it over Family Tree Maker (which I also have but only use for fancy
> wall charts) or Family Origins (which I tried a long time ago)
>
> Now that I have thrown my two cents in on the off-topic topic, I might
> suggest you subscribe to a mailing list for software users...I believe
> rootsweb sponsers a few....you will probably get even more well informed
> opinions there.
>
> David Rowan
> SLC, Utah
>
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> Subject: Pictures of Dumfries and Galloway on CD
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:33:42 +0100
> From: "Ken Harvey" <>
> To:
>
> I've just received a copy of "An Electronic Tour of Dumfries and Galloway"
> by Sandy Pittendreich, published by the Dumfries and Galloway FHS.
>
> Its a terrific collection of photographs of the D&G area arranged in
> categories such as Towns and Villages, Churches and Graveyards, War
> Memorials, Stained Glass and Scenes from the Hills, all accessed through a
> very easy to negotiate web-page style browser.
>
> Many of the sections are organised like guided tours and Sandy has added
> historical notes and comments to help you along.
>
> Sandy's photo's are, as many of the list members already know, quite
> beautiful and it is great fun "wandering" round the area looking at
> landmarks that may have been familiar to our ancestors.
>
> Anyone interested in the history of the district should get their hands on a
> copy as soon as they can!
>
> Ken Harvey
> <> http://i.am/mcbriar ICQ# 32695290
>
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> Subject: Re: Pictures of Dumfries and Galloway on CD
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:05:13 EDT
> From:
> To:
>
> I'll second Ken Harvey's remarks! I received my copy yesterday and it is
> terrific! And this is version 1.0 - Sandy has plans do to more photo trips
> this summer for inclusion in his next version.
>
> Sandy can be reached at
>
> John Jardine
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
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> Subject: RE: Pictures of Dumfries and Galloway on CD
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:15:01 -0400
> From: Juli <>
> To:
>
> What is the best way to get to the D&G FH site? Keep being told it is know
> longer accessible via the URL I have been given?
>
> Juli in
> USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 7:05 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Pictures of Dumfries and Galloway on CD
>
> I'll second Ken Harvey's remarks! I received my copy yesterday and it is
> terrific! And this is version 1.0 - Sandy has plans do to more photo trips
> this summer for inclusion in his next version.
>
> Sandy can be reached at
>
> John Jardine
> Cincinnati, Ohio
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> Subject: Census
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:01:45 +1000
> From: "Charles & Carol" <>
> To:
>
> Hello,
>
> Please can someone advise me where I can find census records for the
> Stoneykirk and Kells areas. I am looking for THOMAS McGILL and his wife MARY
> McGILL, nee DOUGLAS. I suspect that Thomas died between 1845 and 1870.
>
> His son GEORGE died on the 14 June 1884 aged 75.
> George's wife was MARGARET McDOWALL who died on 4 April 1875 aged 64. I have
> just lately received a photo of their grave stone at Stoneykirk. This was
> given to me by one of your members for which I am very grateful.
>
> THOMAS and MARY had another son ARCHIBALD born 26 August 1818 in Kells.
>
> I have not been able to trace a birth date for THOMAS, MARY or GEORGE.
> Nor have I had success in finding the marriage date for THOMAS and MARY.
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for the friendly and
> welcoming attitude you exhibit in your correspondence.
>
> Charles McGill. Queensland, Australia.
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> Subject: John Haston(Heaston) -new info
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:16:45 PDT
> From: sherry mirkovic <>
> To:
>
> Listers, I recently found out that a cousin of mine was in Scotland a few
> years ago, working for the Dep. of Defense on the PanAm 103 crash, and he
> found records that John Heaston was caretaker at Ile of Hestan in the mid
> 1600's, and that his children were listed in a church in Edinburgh. Does
> anyone have any info or MI'S on a Heaston family?
> Thanks, Sherry
>
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> Subject: Pictures of Dumfries
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:07:56
> From: may schulte <>
> To:
>
> Hello Juli -
>
> You'll probably be inundated with emails from just about everyone on the
> list regarding your query. You'll find The Scottish Page at
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~scottish which includes many photographs of
> the D & G FH shop (taken by Sandy, of course.) If you scroll down and
> click on Dumfries-Galloway Homepages, you'll find Sandy's website and you
> won't be disappointed with his mastery of the camera and the written word.
> But, for all intents and purposes, if you really want to see
> Dumfries-Galloway at it's best, I highly recommend the CD that Sandy has
> produced. I had the pleasure of spending many interesting, happy hours
> with him recently and he is a veritable wealth of knowledge of the D & G
> area.
>
> If you're interested in purchasing the CD, you can contact Sandy directly
> at . By the way, he financed this himself but the D & G FH
> Soc. will benefit from all sales.
>
> Besides all of the above, the Scottish Page, if I'm not mistaken, is set up
> by none other than our listowner, Tom Welch, you'll find just about
> everything you need to help you with your research.
>
> Hope this is of some help to you.
>
> May
> May
>
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> Subject: Off Topic?-On-line Library Catalouge and Netscape
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:27:03 -0600
> From: Chris & Sheila Hale <>
> To:
>
> Does anyone else have the problem of the On-line library
> Catalouge Crashing Netscape 4.5 and 4.6?
>
> When I use the Library Catalouge, I get about 5 or 10 minutes of
> use out of it and then Netscape crashes. This has happened EVERY
> time I have used it (5 times in all). I have not had a problem
> with Netscape crashing anywhere else.
>
> When I reported this to the LDS I was basically told "We don't
> have a problem". I think they do. Once is a fluke, Twice
> co-incidence, 5 times is a problem.
>
> I would love to know if anyone else has experienced the same
> thing
>
> Sheila I Hale

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