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From: "Jennifer Gibson" <>
Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Marriages by Declaration/Warrant of Sheriff
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:44:49 +1000
References: <KMELKMDJNAMAKPBHLJCOKEJBCLAA.margoh@onetel.com>


Hello Iain and Margo,

Thank you for your further input on this question.

Neither of the parties lived at 21 Hope Street. The bride, Caroline
Johnston-Douglas SMITH lived at 374 Maryhill Road, Glasgow; the groom,
Robert PEDEN, a postman, lived at 88 Graeme Street, Glasgow.

In the "When, Where and How Married " column the "how" of the marriage is
described thus: "By Declaration in presence of Walker Meiklejohn, 192 North
Woodside Road, Glasgow and Jane Peden or Meiklejohn, also residing there".

In the "If a Regular Marriage.... If a Irregular Marriage...". is written:
"Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Lanarkshire dated July 24th 1924". That
is the date of the marriage.

So, Margo, there is no mention of a minister of any kind on the certificate.

Maybe there might be some links between the marriage partners and one of the
tenants at the address.

However, without the mention of a minister, it seems to em as if it might be
a civil marriage, even though it was not in a designated register office.

Many thanks, again, for the further input on this. Hopefully an answer will
be found one day.

Jenny Gibson,
Toowoomba, Australia.


----- Original Message -----
From: "MargoH" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: [D-G LIST] Marriages by Declaration/Warrant of Sheriff


> Jenny/Iain
>
> I understand that marriages could be performed anywhere in Scotland as
long
> as the couple were married by a minister, and that until recently civil
> marriages had to take place in a designated register office.
>
> It was perfectly normal for a couple to be married, by a minister, in a
> private dwelling including a tenement flat ... did either party run any of
> the businesses Iain mentioned and therefore may also have lived a 21 Hope
> St? I take it that there is no mention of a minister of any kind on the
> marriage certificate?
>
> Margo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iain Hutchison [mailto:]
> Sent: 05 January 2005 22:38
> To:
> Subject: Re: [D-G LIST] Marriages by Declaration/Warrant of Sheriff
>
>
> Jenny,
>
> I was rather curious as to what might exist at these addresses so, while
in
> Glasgow's Mitchell Library today, I had a quick look at the 1924 Glasgow
> Post Office Directory.
>
> The bottom end of Hope Street has been a rather down-at-heel area for many
> years, and it seems to have been much the same in 1924. Number 21 had
> several occupants, small businesses like tailor, commission agent, coal
> seller, whisky distiller, etc. No obvious sign why this would be a place
of
> marriage.
>
> 186 Argyle Street is close by, but on the other side of Central Station
> through the underpass that we call the Heilanman's Umbrella. It had a
> couple of businesses, one of which was a warehouse. However the third
> occupant is listed as "Paterson, Hogg & Co., Writers". So this was a
> lawyers office - could one of the partners have been authorised to perform
> civil marriages?
>
> Iain
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Gibson" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:55 AM
> Subject: [D-G LIST] Marriages by Declaration/Warrant of Sheriff
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have recently downloaded from scotlandspeople a marriage register
entry
> > which states that the marriage was by declaration in the presence of...,
> > and that is was by warrant of the sheriff substitute. I presume that
the
> > people in whose presence the marriage occurred were the witnesses.
> >
> > Does this mean that the marriage took place in a Register Office, or
just
> > that is took place outside of a church without a minister of religion?
> > The address given for the marriage is 21 Hope Street, Glasgow. Another
> > entry on the same page states the same, except that the marriage took
> > place at 186 Argyle Street, Glasgow. Both marriages occurred on 24 July
> > 1924.
> >
> > TIA for any assistance with this one.
> >
> > Jenny Gibson,
> > Toowoomba, Australia
> >
> >
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