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From: "STEPHANIE STEPHENSON" <>
Subject: [DWYER-L] Re: The Origins of O'Dwyer/Dwyer DWYER-D Digest V00 #14
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:43:10 +0100
References: <1251721513-358540942@gjd.com>


Hi Michele,
Interesting one this. When I saw your place names, after the vague ones
I've had, I felt sure I would have masses of information for you. There is
"a" Thomas Dwyer, Philip too, and Garryduff mentioned quite a bit, but not
in connection with Philip, and in an earlier period. No Timothy or
Danl/Daniel? at all. There are no specific outrages or events associated
with Dundrum about 1735, earlier or later, to some extent, yes. There was,
for example, a major clearance of families during the Land War of the 19th
century, and specifically, eleven O'DWYER families "including three in
Garryduff, on the Dundrum Estate, who claimed descent from the old line of
Chiefs that had held land for 1,000 years before Cromwell came."

According to another book, "Chronicle of Britian and Ireland" in 1733, two
years earlier, the failure of Burton & Falkner's bank in Dublin, believed
caused by low agricultural prices, scarcity of money and a general decline
in confidence, had far reaching economic effects for the country. Three bad
harvests 1726-8, caused severe problems for the poor and indebited
community, and could easily have resulted in desperate measures being taken
by the poor i.e. stealing food, where they might well be sentenced to
transportation.

The 1700-1800 is not well represented in the book, probably because most
evidence was destroyed in the Four Courts fire etc.

Sir Michael O'Dwyer, the writer, quotes in Chapter 19:
"The destruction of the wills of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries,
including those of Derby O'DWYER, the then Chief, and several prominent
O'DWYERS of the period 1610-40 (only the names are given in the Office of
Arms indices), followed by the break-up of the Sept in the Cromwellian
Confiscation, has made it very difficult to pursue the family history. The
difficulty has been aggravated by the fact that for Catholics the
registration of births - as shown in baptismal registers - was only
haphazard down to 1830, and to make matters worse, many of the old parochial
records - such as they were - were destroyed in the Four Courts in 1922,
while those kept more or less irregularly by the parish priests have in many
cases disappeared. Those of the parish of Lattin, in which there is a
strong O'DWYER colony, including the writer's family, were burned in the
fire in the Parish Clerk's house, fifty years ago (abt 1870). We have
therefore to fall back on tradition, not a very safe guide, and on the
evidence of locality to connect the O'DWYERS and DWYERS of today with their
ancestors of Kilnamanagh."

Depressing reading! If I find anything else, I'll let you know.

Best wishes
Stephanie in UK,
(granddaughter of Eileen Winifred Dwyer, who was the daughter of Edmund
Sebastian Dwyer, who was the eldest son of John Dwyer, born Dublin 1846, the
son of Edward Dwyer.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "michele" <>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: The Origins of O'Dwyer/Dwyer DWYER-D Digest V00 #14


> Dear Stephanie,
>
> I saw your generous offer on the DWYER list (below) and wonder if you
> have been inundated with queries! I have been trying to get my hands on
> a copy of this book for three years, with no luck. My Interlibrary loan
> office can't even get it, as no nearby library has a circulating copy
> they are willing to part with. You are lucky indeed to own one.
>
> If you have time to do some lookups, I certainly would appreciate it.
> Here is what I am looking for, and I hope it is not too unreasonable a
> request:
>
> I am researching some Dwyers who lived near Dundrum (Maude estate),
> Kilnamanagh Lower, parish of Ballintemple, who left (I should say were
> transported for an as yet unknown offence) in approximately 1735. I am
> interested especially in any description of events or "outrages"
> committed in Dundrum or on the Maude estate at about this time. Also I am
> interested in several tenants with holdings in and near Dundrum by the
> name of Dwyer listed in a Maude Deed of 1723:
>
> Townland of Ourny: Timothy Dwyer, Danl. Dwyer
> Townland of Rossmore: Thomas Dwyer
> Townland of Garryduffe: Philip Dwyer
> Townland of Carrowkeel: Timothy Dwyer (same fellow as above?)
> (including the subdenominations of Twooreenecrehy, Knockroe and Gortard
> within Carrowkeel)
>
> It's a lot to ask, and perhaps not possible. But any help you can give
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Michele Patin
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:56:31 +0100
> >From: "STEPHANIE STEPHENSON" <>
> >Subject: [DWYER-L] The Origins of O'Dwyer/Dwyer
> >
> >
> >I noticed there are people on this list who want some clues as to the
> >origins of their O'DWYER/DWYER's.
> >I have a copy of "The O'Dwyers of Kilnamagh, The History of an Irish
Sept"
> >by Sir Michael O'Dwyer, published 1933. It is very informative, gives
lots
> >of names, although I must stress they are mostly COMMON Dwyer first names
> >such as John, Edmund etc, but it also gives places, dates and the
> >whereabouts of O'Dwyers and Dwyers through the centuries, up mostly up
until
> >the 18th century, with some more recent.
> >I cautiously mention that I will be willing to take a look on anyone's
> >behalf, if they understand that I cannot extract large amounts of text
for
> >them, but I can look for a name or a place if this is any help to them.
The
> >writer of the book does give sources which can be followed up.
> >
> >I will operate on a first come, first serve basis. Please be patient: I
> >will get back to you as soon as I am able!
> >
> >I am also endeavouring to organise a DATABASE of all O'DWYERS/DWYERS who
> >came to the UK from Ireland, to be available free to all. If anyone has
> >anything to contribute, will they let me know.
> >Best wishes
> >
> >Stephanie.
> >
>

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