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From: Eugene Hubbard <> (by way of David Sylvester <>)
Subject: Re: Mary (Barrett) Dyer, Wife of William of Newport, RI
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:17:12 -0500

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Dear Frank:

I appreciate your input. I could only wish your site had the
ability to offer such additional info on-line.

My info came from sources: 1) Frederick Virkus in his The Abridged
Compendium of American Genealogy-First Families in America [1968],
and from files drawn from the websites 2) Kindred Konnections.and
3)Rootsweb WorldConnect.

The adoption of Mary by George Dyer appears multiple times in
Virkus' work, as well as her heritage. I have found a copy of 100
of Lady Abella's letters, compiled in 1998, a definitive work done
by an Oxford University person, and I shall study it carefully when
it is received. Note that the date trumps all the other references,
but until the letter's contents alude to a child, I shall be
careful to indicate that Mary's heritage is only a theory which has
been debunked as late as 1950.

BTW. I guess I could be considered a loose cannon. <grin>

NB. I finally did an in-depth research for the church known as St.
Martins-in-the-Fields, London, and found there was such a place,
which had its genesis in the 13th century, and was built(again) at
the order of Henry the 8th during the 16th century plague years,
because he did not want corpses carried thru his castle grounds. It
does exist in Trafalger Sq. London. It was again replaced by the
architect James Gibbs in the 16th century..




>The "Tradition" of Mary Dyer & Lady Arabella Stuart:
>The April 1944 issue of the New England Historic and Genealogical
>Society's Register (Vol. 98) published an article by Alice Eugenie
>Ortiz entitled "Tradition of Mary Dyer, Quaker Martyr" which had
>been contributed by Mrs. Harry Clark Boden. Mrs. Borden herself
>stated that there was no proof whatsoever for her theory - simply
>that it was one conceivable way to account for Mary's early
>Andrews Moriarty refuted this theory quite soundly in his article,
>"The True Story of Mary Dyer" (NEHGS Register) Vol. 104, January
>1950). He states that "no proof is offered that the Lady Arabella
>ever "had" issue except a vague statement from Mr. Hardy's (Life
>of Lady Arabella Stuart) of a rumor that such was the case."
>Furthermore, Moriarty points out that "there never was such a
>tradition [of this lineage] among Mary Dyer's descendants, but
>that it was a quite modern story, emanating from an English
>gentleman, Mr. F. M. Dyer of Macclesfield [sic -]. for "Frederick
>Nathaniel" Dyer who was an American - his father was born in Rhode
>Island - and who moved to England to do research]....who, not so
>many years ago, sent the story of his beliefs to the descendants
>of Mary Dyer in this country. ... This 'tradition' does not even
>have the authority of age ... this being so, the story, without
>more evidence, is not worthy of serious consideration." Moriarty
>further takes the (then) editor of the Register to task for even
>accepting the article for publication, as it appeared four years
>after the July, 1940 issue (Vol. 94) which published the marriage
>record of Mary and William Dyer from the parish register of St.
>Martin-in-the-Fields, London, which clearly identified her as Mary
>As for the "legend" itself, Mary was supposedly the daughter of
>Lady Arabella Stuart, first cousin of King James, by her 3rd
>cousin, William Seymour. When Queen Elizabeth died in 1603, she
>left no heirs and the crown shifted to other descendants of Henry
>VII. James I was the son of Mary, Queen of Scots, a great
>granddaughter of Henry VII. King James felt threatened by the
>equal eligibility of his cousin Arabella, daughter of Elizabeth
>Cavendish and Charles Stuart, James' uncle. (Charles was also a
>great grandson of Henry VII.)
>Arabella had no desire to be Queen, but aggressive political
>suitors from England and France hoped that, by marrying her, they
>would capture the throne and restore Catholicism to England. King
>James, made rather anxious by this prospect, prohitited his cousin
>from marrying anyone. But Arabella fell in love with Sir William
>Seymour, also a descendant of Henry VII and they were secretly wed
>in 1610. Within a year, they had a daughter [unsubstantiated],
>which disturbed King James further, as this marriage doubled
>Arabella's qualifications to the throne. He order Arabella sent to
>Highgate and William Seymour imprisoned in the Tower of London.
>Arabella tried to flee Highgate, dressed as a man, but although
>she escaped from prison she was recaptured on board a ship headed
>to Calais and sent to the Tower of London where she spent the
>remaining four years of her life. William Seymour escaped to
>France and when he eventually returned to England after the death
>of King James, he became tutor to the eleven-year-old Prince of
>Wales, the future King Charles II.
>The infant daughter was left in the care of Arabella's
>lady-in-waiting, Mistress Mary Dyer, who gave her own name to her
>adopted child and brought her up quietly and reclusively in the
>country. King James sent out scouts searching for the child, but
>was denied information by anyone who was questioned. When Mary was
>twenty-two years old, she married her foster mother's first cousin
>William Dyer. [Note: it is not known whether William indeed even
>had any cousins by the name of Mary.]
> (Frank Dyer)
>Web Site: Dyer Families of New England.
>URL http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dyer
>Member New England Historic & Gen. Society
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