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From: "Gareth" <>
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pencommins
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:45:02 +0100
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Hi Helen
This Lewis extract below from the Abergwili Genuki page might help re the
local quarrying angle.
I've read that bricks and lead were exported through Carmarthen quay at one
time, and there was a brick works in the town(next to the Station) but I
imaginethe town's trade catchment area was quite large as far as sources of
raw material were concerned.

I can't see any reference to Pencommins in the indexes any of my CMN history
books , or
on any map, inc Speed's of 1610.
I had to smile when a google search on Pencommins just threw up your own
site plus the original list query on the Rootsweb archive :-)

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"ABERGUILLY (ABER-GWILI), a parish, in the union of CARMARTHEN, higher
division of the hundred of ELVET . . 2 miles (E. by N.) from Carmarthen, on
the road to Llandilo-Vawr; containing 2366 inhabitants. . . The village is
pleasantly situated, and the meadows in the neighbourhood are watered by the
rivers Towy and Guilly, over which last is a neat substantial stone bridge
of three arches. The parish abounds with roofing slate of excellent quality,
of which there are two quarries at present open, affording employment to
about fifty persons . . .
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Gareth
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Helen Jones" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: [Dyfed] Pencommins


> I think I may have posted this query a couple of years ago but am trying
> again as it is still unresolved!
>
> My several times Great Grandfather, Griffith Howell, registered the births
> of 4 of his children at the Penuel Baptist Chapel in Priory Street,
> Carmarthen, in 1810. The children (Griffith, Elizabeth, Rachel and John)
> were born between 1797 and 1806. Under the entry for Elizabeth born 1800
it
> states 'late of Pencommins but now of Priory Street, Carmarthen". It also
> states twice that Griffith was a 'Quarer'. Later entries in the register
> refer to a David Howell a Quarer of Abergwilly who registered the birth
of
> a son, Griffith, 1819. David also registered children called John, Mary
> and Daniel. I am wondering whether this family is connected with mine.
>
> Two questions:
> Where is or was Pencommins? I have not found it on old or new OS maps, nor
> on the Multimap site. I visited Carmarthen a fortnight ago and bought 3
> local history books but there is no reference to Pencommins. I had hoped
to
> go to the NLW to see if there were any old maps or a tithe schedule for
the
> area which might help - but didn't make it this time.
>
> What was a Quarer? A quarrier? Again I have not found any reference to
> quarrying in the Carmarthen area in any of the books /maps and have not
> found quarries marked in the Abergwilly area either.
>
>
> My ancester, Rachel Howell, married a John Evans and had a son, William.
> She was then widowed and remarried my ancester, John James, also of
> Carmarthen. The family were tin workers and moved to Margam circa 1824 as
> did Rachel's brother, John Howell. The family remained Welsh Baptists
> though Rachel and John are both buried in St Marys, Aberavon. I have never
> found the birth registration of my John James circa 1801 and have looked
at
> all the surviving Camarthen non conformist registers (and those of St
> Peters). Family story suggests the family may have come from LLechryd,
> Cardiganshire, but there is no evidence of this and no date. Unfortunately
> James is a fairly common name in this area. Naming patterns suggest his
> parents could have been John and Mary :-(((((
>
> Grateful for any answers or suggestions
> Helen
>
>
> Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset
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