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From: Megan Phelps <>
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Lloyd and Davies
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:12:10 +1000
In-Reply-To: <BCBEEA4C.EA80%drowlan1@bigpond.net.au>


Geraldien

My gg-grandfather, James Millard Phelps, came from Pembrokeshire to
Sydney, in his case in about 1851. He initially worked as a waterman,
acting as a water taxi across the stretch of water where the Sydney
Harbour Bridge is today. He married Margaret Turnbull in 1854 in one of
the presbyterian churches. I understand that the Church of Wales and
Presbyterian churches may have had similar philosophies, but I am happy
to be corrected on this.

Interestingly, Margaret Turnbull's father, Alexander, was also a
shipwright. I believe he worked at one of the shipyards on the North
Shore, in the area which was called St Leonards at the time. Stanton
Library at North Sydney has a pamphlet on its website titled "Boat
Building on the North Shore". Do you know where your g-grandfather
worked?

Regards

Megan Phelps
Sydney

On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 07:00 PM, David Rowlands wrote:

> Geraldine
>
> Could he have been a fully-qualified mariner? If so, he might be on Reg
> Davies site --- see:
>
> http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/index.php
>
> There are 22 Thomas Lloyds there, several born in Cardigan!
>
> David
> Canberra
>
>
>> I'm new to the list and hope someone with knowledge of Cardiganshire
>> can
>> give me guidance or assistance in finding the birth of my
>> g-grandfather
>> Thomas LLOYD and the marriage of his parents.
>>
>> I'm unable to find his arrival in Australia, which is unusual, but
>> because
>> of his occupation he could have worked his passage aboard ship and
>> therefore
>> wouldn't appear in passenger lists.
>>
>> What I do know about him:
>> At his marriage to Mary WILLIAMS (b. Denbighshire) in Sydney January
>> 1868 he
>> said he was a 33-year old bachelor and shipwright whose birthplace was
>> Cardigan. His parents he gave as John LLOYD, a cooper, and Margaret
>> DAVIES.
>>
>> At the registration of his children's births he gave his place of
>> birth as
>> South Wales or Cardiganshire, except for one birth where he gave it
>> as (what
>> looks like) New Case. The clerk who took down the information often
>> took a
>> stab at what he thought the informant was saying (Thomas Lloyd was the
>> informant).
>>
>> All his life in Australia he was a firm Presbyterian. Whether or not
>> his
>> parents were Presbyterian I know not.
>>
>> If naming patterns are any indication of family he named his children:
>> John; Florence Mary; Margaret Elizabeth; Thomas John; Henry George and
>> William Frederick. His wife's parents' names were John and Elizabeth.
>> None
>> of the other names appear in Mary Williams' family.
>>
>> I assume he must have served an apprenticeship in Wales as a
>> shipwright and
>> would therefore have been near the sea or an estuary.
>> All advice and help much needed.
>> Yours in hope
>> Geraldien Walsh in Sydney
>>
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