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From: "Sylvia Birch" <>
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire.
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:19:46 +0100
I can not say if they ended up in Cornwall or not. It is possible of course, especially if Elizabeth was from Cornwall originally. There would still have been family there I expect. She probably had brothers and sisters.
Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths,
Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at
----- Original Message -----
From: Carol Lloyd
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire.
Thank you once again for doing this for me.
I have been looking on FreeBMD/FreeCEN and have found some of the children's birth info there.
There are quite a few JOHN(S) in Cornwall as I belong to that list also, and lately people are asking about this name on the Cornish - L list so it is possible that they ended up there isn't it?
I much appreciate your help,
> To: ;
> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire.
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:29:58 +0100
> Hello Carol
> Thomas shows in 1871 he called his first born son William and 1861 shows
> Mary E John as the granddaughter of Elizabeth John, a labourers widow, not
> born in Pembrokeshire. I wonder if this could be the family in 1841.
> Parish Steynton
> Living at Third Street, Milford
> The 1841 only shows if born in County or not. Ages of adults were rounded
> down to the nearest 5 or 0.
> William John, age 50, Labourer, born in County.
> Elizabeth John, age 45, not born in County.
> Richard John, age 20, Masons Apprentice.
> Richard and all of the following were born in Pembrokeshire.
> Joseph John, age 18, Shipwright Apprentice.
> Benjamin John, age 16, Tailor Apprentice.
> Ann John, age 14, House Servant.
> William John, age 12
> Elizabeth John, age 10
> Morris John, age 8
> Thomas John, age 6
> Harry John, age 4
> I think this may well be the correct family because you say Thomas was a
> Living Back Street, Steynton
> Elizabeth Johns, Widow, age 50, occ Washerwoman, born Steynton
> All the remaining family are shown as born in Steynton
> Elizabeth Johns, daughter, age 20, occ dressmaker.
> Moryes Johns, son, age 18, occ Shipwright.
> Thomas John son, age 16, occ Joiner
> Ann Johns, Granddaughter age 6.
> Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths,
> Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carol Lloyd" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:20 AM
> Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire.
> > Hello List,
> > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's family in
> > Pembrokeshire.
> > I thought that this list would be able to help me.
> > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant information to this
> > list, but felt it was important to this families travels etc.
> > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James LLOYD 1871 - 1960
> > Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born
> > Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, Wales.
> > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales in
> > 1903.
> > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, Haverfordwest,
> > Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife Laura died at Coombes, Milford
> > Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1941.
> > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee
> > JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my in-laws photo's and personal
> > papers:
> > When Laura married John, they lived at:
> > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke.
> > Laura
> > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children born to Mr
> > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected families
> > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In Charge of the
> > old Blackberry Ferry ".
> > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John
> > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but lived at
> > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of Pembroke.
> > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner.
> > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery.
> > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be grateful for
> > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me re: above
> > names.
> > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and lived in
> > Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link that I am researching
> > now.
> > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting with his parents:
> > Parents:
> > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty Officer
> > RN/Mechanical Engineer
> > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.
> > He married Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in Torpoint, Cornwall ) Occ:
> > Wages Clerk, HMS Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon.
> > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton.
> > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 months earlier in
> > 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. They had lived in Farnborough,
> > Hants for years.
> > Grandparent's:
> > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire, and Vida
> > Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England
> > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship Builders, Pembroke
> > Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was apprenticed for 5 years and qualified
> > as a Shipwright in 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage",
> > Coombs, Milford Haven.
> > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married Vida Florence COLE
> > b. 1896 .
> > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 in Porchester.
> > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD b. 1867
> > Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census.
> > GGrandparent's:
> > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: Butter Merchant,
> > Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 Census.
> > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than husband?
> > 1881 British Census
> > Household:
> > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age
> > Birthplace Occupation Disability
> > Mary A. LLOYD Head W Female 46
> > Westerham, Kent, England No Occupation
> > William A. LLOYD Son Male 13
> > Holloway Scholar
> > James LLOYD Son Male 10
> > London Finsbury Park, London, Middlesex, England Scholar
> > Source Information:
> > Dwelling 21 Albion Place
> > Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England
> > Family History Library Film 1341234
> > Public Records Office Reference RG11
> > Piece / Folio 0987 / 113
> > Page Number 8
> > Thankyou in advance,
> > Regards,
> > Carol
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