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From: jean boutcher <>
Subject: Re: Lucas Voorhees and Catharina Van Nostrand
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:51:46 EST


Dorothy writes:

>son "Jan" since this is not the name of either grandfather.
>Their next 4 children -- all baptized in the Flatbush church
> -- are what one would expect from the traditional naming
>pattern -- Stephen in 1677, Hans in 1679, Jannetje in 1681,
>and Willemptje. Their last child -- Annetje .
>

Whereas the book which you use shows six children,
the following genealogy of of Catherine Hansen Van
Nostrand - Lucas Stevense Van Voorhees shows
12 children. Double! :-)

Source: "Vorheis Family Genealogy" (name of compiler
not provided) at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/
homepages/perryhold/vorheis.htm:

1. Jan who m. Van Duyckhuysen, Schenck, & Remsen
2. Stephen
3. Hans
4. Jannetje who m. Marten Roelfose Schenck
5. Willemptje
6. Annetje who m. Wm. Couwenhoven
7. Catryntie who m. Roelof Nevius
8. Elsje
9. Reinsche who m. Johannes Van Nostrand
10. Willemptje [Jean's note: why two Willemptjes? see #5]
who m. Martin Nevius
11. Roelof who m. Stoothoof, Schenck, & Margareta Cornell
12. Minne who m. Antje Wyckoff, Lemmetje Stryker
12. Albert who m. Arrientje Ditmars, Catryntie Cornell

Regards,

Jean


>
On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Dorothy Koenig
<> writes:
>Jean, I think a marriage date for Catalyntje and Lucas will be hard
>to
>come by, but I think it was later than 1671. In "The Van Voorhees
>Family,
>volume 1: the First Four Generations" on page 52 we find Lucas
>identified
>as the son of Steven Koerts Van Voorhees and Willemptje Roelofse
>Seubering; Catherine as the daughter of Hans Hansen Van Nostrand and
>Jenneken Gerrets Van Loon. The Voorhees book follows (with
>reservations)
>Teunis Bergen's statement on page 379 than a son "Jan" was born to
>Lucas
>and Catherine on 19 February 1675. The Voorhees book says that
>"baptisms
>[i.e. baptismal records] are found only at New York and Brooklyn,
>neither
>of which contains such a record." It is possible that Bergen had
>access
>to some Voorhees family Bible before he published his book --
>"Register of
>the Early Settlers of Kings County" -- in 1881.
>
>It seems strange to me that Lucas and Catalyntje would name their
>eldest
>son "Jan" since this is not the name of either grandfather. Their
>next 4
>children -- all baptized in the Flatbush church -- are what one would
>expect from the traditional naming pattern -- Stephen in 1677, Hans in
>1679, Jannetje in 1681, and Willemptje. Their last child -- Annetje
>--
>was baptized in 1686 in the Brooklyn Dutch church.
>
>I believe that Lucas and Catalyntje were living in Flatbush where they
>were married and where their oldest children were baptized. The first
>minister of the Flatbush church was Johannes Theodorus Polhemius, and
>he
>served there from 1654 until his death on 9 September 1676.
>
>As David William Voorhees says in his preface (page xviii) to the new
>edition of the Flatbush church records, "The records of Polhemius's
>1654-1676 ministry for the most part have been lost." Of the later
>records still extant, the first marriage intention is dated 29
>September
>1677; the first baptisms recorded on 16 September 1677 among which is
>"Stephen", the son of Lucas Stephensz and Catharina Hanssen.
>
>So, if Jan is their oldest son, Lucas and Catherine were probably
>married
>early in 1674 or sometime in 1673.
>
>Dorothy
>
>* * * * * * * * * * *
>Dorothy A. Koenig
><
>
>On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, jean boutcher wrote:
>
>> Hi to all,
>>
>> Does anyone have the marriage date for Catylyntje
>> Hansen Van Noordstrandt to Lucas Stevense
>> Van Voorhies? She was born on 30 November 1653
>> in Long Island, New York. She is not my ancestor,
>> but her Hans Hanszen Van Noordstrandt and his
>> first wife are my direct ancestors. Speculation holds
>> she and Lucas were married in 1671, but I have not
>> found a marriage record. Thanks for your help.
>>
>> The source of the above is "A Genealogy of the Nostrandt
>> Family in America: with emphasis on the descendants who
>> settled in central New York State" by Leslie L[eon] Luther,
>> Moravia, N.Y., 1969, page 4.
>>
>> Regards ---------- Wake up, Rip Van Winkle
>> Happy Sleepy Hollow :-)
>> Jean
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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