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From: Dorothy Koenig <>
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Gibersons/Guisbertson/Gybertson/VanPelts? (fwd)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:25:46 -0800 (PST)


Dear Geneen, You will find these families on page 130 of Carl Boyer III's
"Ship Passenger Lists, New York and New Jersey, 1600-1825". They have
also been reprinted elsewhere. Here are the listings of the two VAN PELT
families:

"Teunis Jansen, from the country of Liege, wife and six children, 18, 16,
14, 9, 7, and 2 years old."

and Teunis' brother's family:

"Thys Jansen, from the country of Liege, and four children, 17, 15, 13,
and 11 years old."

You appear to be taking the details of this family from A. Van Doren
Honeyman's account published in volume 2 of his "Somerset County
Historical Quarterly" (April 1913).

Some of his information is in error, e.g. the named of Mattys Janszen
Lanen Van Pelt's first wife -- the one who died on the voyage and was
buried at Texel -- was NOT "Tryntje" (as Honeyman had speculated) but
Maryken Gisberts. The name "Gisbert" came into the Lane family when
Mattys Jansen and Maryken Gisberts named their son in honor of his
maternal grandfather.

The date of Mattys' marriage was 1 Nov 1640 in the village of Tuil,
Gelderland Province, The Netherlands:

"Mattijs Pelt, soldier under Captain De Swart, and Maryken Gijberts, young
daughter of Buermalsen."

I am forwarding the message that I sent to you and the list on December
6th last year as I had already commented on the use of patronymics at that
time.

It may be well to remember that the surname GIBERSON could derive from
*any* man with the given name Gisbert/Gilbert. The possibilities are not
limited to the Lanen Van Pelt families.

Cheers! Dorothy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:12:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Dorothy Koenig <>
To:
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Gibersons/Guisbertson/Gybertson/VanPelts?
Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:10:51 -0800
Resent-From:

Dear Geneen, Many Dutch families did not always use surnames that were
"inherited" in each generation. In earlier times they used the patronymic
naming system in which a child took his or her father's first name --
given name -- in its possessive form. For example, say a man was named
Cornelis Pieterszen. You would know immediately that Cornelis' father's
first name was "Pieter". Let us say that Cornelis had a daughter Sara and
a son Jan. Sara would be called "Sara Cornelis" and Jan would be called
"Jan Corneliszen".

And now to your specific case. In 1663 on the ship "The Rosetree" two
brothers came to New Netherland with their families. They came from the
village of Over Pelt in the Prince Bishopric of Liege (now in Belgium).
In Europe their family used the surname Lanen. Their father's name was
Jan. So the two brothers were called "Teunis Janszen Lanen van Pelt" and
"Mattys Janszen Lanen van Pelt". The first wife of Mattys was a woman
named "Maryken Guisberts" (Mary, the daughter of Gilbert -- giving the
Dutch names their English equivalents). Gisbert had been born on 2 Dec
1646 in the village of Tuil, Gelderland Province, of the Netherlands, and
he was the eldest child of Mattys and Maryken.

In the New World Gisbert Tyssen Lanen -- "Tys" is the nickname of his
father's name, Mattys -- married Jannetje Adriaens Smith. (The Smith
family had come to America on the same ship, "The Rosetree", in 1663.)
Gisbert and Jannetje moved to New Jersey where most of their descendants
adopted the surname LANE. Their sons would have had the patronymic
"Gisbertson".

Most of the descendants of Mattys' brother, Teunis Janszen Lanen Van Pelt,
adopted the surname VAN PELT. So Lanes and Van Pelts are cousins.

Dorothy

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 wrote:

> I am researching the name of Giberson from Monmouth Co., NJ. I had a
> genealogist write to me saying: "This Guisbertson was the progenitor of the
> Giberson family as name was afterwards spelled and I think was really a
> VanPelt." From a footnote on a referred page noting Guisbertson, it said "The
> Lane, Tysen, or Tice, Pietersen and Giberson surnames are all derived from a
> VanPelt progenitor."
>
> Can anyone explain this to me and how would the name change from or to
> VanPelt?
>
> Also I know I read somewhere how the Dutch would name their children - boys
> and girls, in a certain order. Can anyone relate this back to me?
>
> Thank you all, Geneen
>
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