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From: "Frans Gouverneur" <>
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Gerrit Gerritse or Frederickse Lansing?
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:34:48 +0100


I'm sorry for the confusion; probably it was too late at night for me. Of
course the wife of Gerrit was Elisabeth Hendriks.
That makes my suggested theory of the meaning of Gerrit 'Frederiks' Lansing
nonsense. But till now no Frederik Lansing is found, and the conclusion from
the Dutch sources must be that the father's name was Gerrit.
The letter of 4 Jun 1679 that the adult children of Gerrit Lansingh and
Elisabeth Hendricks received is interesting in this matter, I'm very
curious: the father died before 1653 and the appointed guardians were
Borchard van Hattum and Meijndert Henrickx. The mother and her second
husband had taken out several loans to finance the trip to the NN, but it is
a fact that the bakery in Hasselt was not sold (we know of a two-year rental
contract with baker Jan Jacobs and rent of 43 gold guilders). Was the
inheritance in 1679 after the selling of this house?
Again, I did not research this family myself but I do have some documented
articles (in Dutch and English) and will be pleased to share.
Hope it helps,
Frans Gouverneur

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Martin and Joan Roberts <>
Aan: Frans Gouverneur <>
Datum: donderdag 8 maart 2001 20:38
Onderwerp: Re: [D-Col] Gerrit Gerritse or Frederickse Lansing?


>Thanks you for posting this information. I am a descendent of Gerrit
>Lansing also through the son Hendrik. I am a bit confused about what you
>say for Gerrit's wife. You give her name as Hendriks, but later as
>Fredericks. I have Hendriks in my data base.
>
>Martin
>
>At 12:58 AM 3/8/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>Dear Dorothy and Channon,
>>In my records I have:
>>Gerrit Gerrits Lansing; first mentioned in Hasselt (Overijssel) July 1637
>>having not obeyed the rules for deliviring grain into the mill, he was
fined
>>for that. He was a baker in Hasselt and was married to Elisabeth Hendriks
>>(marriage not found).
>>He probably had a brother named Berent (a miller) and a sister named
Aaltje.
>>Children of Gerrit and Elisabeth:
>>1. Aaltje Lansing; bap. Oct 23, 1637; md Gerrit Slichtenhorst (son of
Brant
>>Arends van Slichtenhorst)
>>2. Gijsbertje Lansing; md ?1679 Hendrik Jansen Roseboom (originating from
>>Meppel)
>>3. Gerrit Lansing; md Elsje van Wijthorst
>>4. Hendrik Lansing; died Jul 11, 1709; md Lijsbet Caspers (Hallenbeek)
>>5. Johannes Lansing; buried Feb 2, 1728 Albany; md Geertje van Schaick,
>>widow of Hendrik Coster (daughter of Goossen van Schaik)
>>6. Hilletje Lansing; bap Oct 9, 1650; md Storm van der Zee (?son of Albert
>>Andriese Bradt de Noorman) [there is a nice story in which is explained
the
>>'strange' name 'Storm van der Zee' = 'Storm of the Sea']
>>
>>The accounting book of Gerrit Gerrits Lansing (in it household and
business
>>earnings and expences) is still present in the city archive of Hasselt!
>>Gerrit died at a rather young age (before 1653) and his widow remarried
>>Wolter Alberts. They both had debts and that must have been the main
reason
>>to go the NN.
>>
>>I don't have a Gerrit Frerickse Lansing as a burgher of Hasselt; a problem
>>is of course that Gerrit Gerrits Lansing was mentioned originally by the
>>name Bakker [his profession]; I think we have insufficient information
from
>>the Hasselt records to trace the Lansings.
>>There is a Wessel Lansing mentioned in 1504 and a Peter Lansing in 1532,
the
>>last one probably married a Mette Unknown and had children: Hendrik
>>mentioned 1538 and Katharina mentioned 1541. But the gap to 'our' Lansings
>>is far too great.
>>
>>I suggest a different theory: Elisabeth Frederiks and her 6 little
children
>>emigrated with her second husband Wolter Alberts to NN. The use of
surnames
>>was not so common for this family and the children used their mother's
>>patronymic name: Fredericks as well. So there is no Fredrik Lansing at
all.
>>
>>If you like I can send you, off line, some copies concerning the
>>Hasselt-time of Gerrit Gerrits and his family. Please let me know.
>>
>>I myself, don't have any relation with this Lansing-family but am
interested
>>as an old inhabitant of Hasselt, a very, very charming little town.
>>
>> From a sunny Holland,
>>Frans Gouverneur
>>
>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>Van: Dorothy Koenig <>
>>Aan: <>
>>Datum: woensdag 7 maart 2001 19:57
>>Onderwerp: Re: [D-Col] Gerrit Gerritse or Frederickse Lansing?
>>
>>
>> >Dear Channon, After Gerrit's death Elizabeth Hendricks married Wouter
van
>> >den Uythof. At 5 o'clock in the afternoon on 4 Jun 1678 this couple met
>> >with Adriaen van Ilpendam, Notary Public, in Albany to make a joint
will.
>> >Wouter was identified as a "baker in Albany", and Elizabeth was noted as
>> >"virtuous" and "sickly". Wouter and Elizabeth deposed that they had no
>> >children together but that the Testatrix has six children of a former
>> >marriage. The children are named -- probably in order of their birth --
>> >with the surname LANSINGH:
>> >
>> >Aeltie
>> >Gysbertie
>> >Gerrit
>> >Heyndrick
>> >Johannes
>> >Hilletie
>> >
>> >Notice that the oldest son is named "Gerrit" and that there is no son
named
>> >Frederick. (Source: "Early Records of Albany", Volume 3 (Notarial
Papers),
>> >pages 450-451.)
>> >
>> >On the 3 Oct 1679 the adult children of Gerrit Lansingh and Elizabeth
>> >Hendricks appeared before Robert Livingston, Secretary of Albany. The
>> >Lansingh heirs had received a letter dated 4 Jun 1679 from their cousin,
>> >Jan Barentsz ten Kate dwelling in Swoll in the Province of Over Isell of
>> >an inheritance and bequests left to them by their deceased father --
>> >Gerrit Frerickse Lansing -- in his lifetime a burgher of Hassell. (The
>> >editor, A.J.F. van Laer, notes in a footnote that "Hassell" was
intended
>> >as Hasselt in the province of Overijsel.) By means of the legal
document
>> >the Lansing children were creating they were appointing said Jan
Barentse
>> >ten Kate residing in Swoll and Gysbert Jans Vermeer, residing in
Hasselt,
>> >as their legal representatives to collect the bequests through this
power
>> >of attorney.
>> >
>> >The siblings were named (brothers first and then sisters):
>> >
>> >Gerrit Gerritse Lansing
>> >Hendrick Gerritse Lansingh
>> >Johannes Gerritse Lansing
>> >Ger[ri]t van Slichtenhorst, husband of Aeltie Lansingh
>> >Hendrik Rooseboom, husband of Gysbertie Lansing
>> >Hilletie Lansing, widow of the late Storm Albertse van der Ze[e]
>> >
>> >[Source: "Early Records of Albany", volume 2, page 64-65, Power of
>> >Attorney]
>> >
>> >The key phrase, it seems to me, is "their inheritance and bequests left
to
>> >them by their father deceased, named Gerrit Frerickse Lansing, in his
>> >lifetime burgher of Hasselt."
>> >
>> >Whereas we know their father, deceased, as "in his lifetime a resident
of
>> >Albany".
>> >
>> >If the document *should* have read "their GRANDFATHER named Gerrit
>> >Frerickse Lansing", the conflict would immediately disappear. Gerrit
>> >Lansing and Elizabeth Hendricks would have named their eldest son after
>> >his paternal grandfather back in Hasselt.
>> >
>> >This is my personal opinion. It would be very helpful if the "old Dutch
>> >records" you mention come from records in Hasselt and can confirm my
>> >suspicions that the Lansing children in Albany were inheriting --
through
>> >their deceased father's right -- from their grandfather Gerrit Frericksz
>> >(who never left the Netherlands).
>> >
>> >Dorothy
>> >
>> >On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is conflicting information in the records on whether the father
of
>> >> Gerrit Lansing (ca. 1610-ca. 1652), who married Elizabeth Hendrickse
Ten
>> >> Kate, was Gerrit or Frederick. In old dutch records, Gerrit is
referred
>>to
>> >> as Gerrit Gerritsen and his brothers as Barent Gerritsen and Arent
>>Gerritsen,
>> >> indicating that their father was Gerrit. However, in the will of
>>Gerrit's
>> >> widow in 1679 and several other resources, he is referred to as Gerrit
>> >> Frederickse Lansing, indicating that his father was Frederick. Does
>>anyone
>> >> have any information that may be able to shed some light on this
subject?
>> >> Thanks in Advance,
>> >>
>> >> Channon Moon
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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