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From: (Howard Swain)
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Bogardus, etc
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:23:04 -0400 (EDT)


Hi Bob,

Thank you for this account. I'm familiar with much of it, but
have a few questions.

At 08:44 AM 4/5/01 -0500, Protzman, RL (Robert) wrote:

>1. Tryn/Tryntje/Catharine (ROELOFS) Jonas/Jonasz (Van Masterlandt), (Trijn `
>(datter)); b. prob at Marstrand, (a village, on an island of the same name),
>Norway, (now in Goteburg Och Bohus, Sweden (since 1658), about 18 mi NW of
>the city of Goteburg); d. 1644 - 1647. Her husband was probably named
>Johannes, Jonas, being used to connote wife of Jon (Johannes). Official
>midwife of New Amsterdam, hired by the DWIC. She made her second trip to
>New Amsterdam on "de Eendracht" ("the Unity"), Mar 21, 1630, with her dau
>Anneke and son-in-law, Roeloff Janszen.

I know that van Laer in his appendix to the Van Rensselaer Bowier Mss.
called "Settlers of Rensselaerswyck" concludes that Roelof, Anneke, and
daughters came on the Eendracht; based on various documents (see eg.
p. 308 of the above book). I have seen _conjecture_ but never any
evidence that Tryntje also came in the Eendracht in 1630. And this is
the first I've seen that she made an earlier trip. So, I'm curious
what your sources were for these 2 voyages of Tryntie Jonas.

snip
>11. Anneke/Anneken/Anne/Anatie/Annetje Jans/Janse/Johansdatter, b.
>ca. 1605, Vleckere (Flekkeroy), a village on the Island os Flekkeroy, in
snip
>[Roelof Jansen and Claes Claesen and Jacob Goyversen, who worked the "de
>Laets Burg" together, were referred to as the "three Norwegians.]

Is this in Van Rensselaer Bowier Mss somewhere?

>He resided 3.5 years at St Tunis Gate, Amsterdam. She also resided at
>St Tunis Gate. He had come from the valley of the Meuse, near Mastricht,
>Netherlands.

This is the first I've heard he had lived near Mastricht. Are you saying
he was there at some time between being born on Marstrand and living
in Amsterdam? And where did you find this info?

snip
> When he was replaced by Van
>Rensselaer as a farmer in 1632, he was in debt to him.
snip

The circumstances of Roelof's leaving Van Rensselaer seem open to
varied interpretations. I'm curious what your sources were and
how you interpret them. Also, I think he left sometime in or after
1634 (see VRB p. 280) -- which date I see you have in the next
paragraph.

>They moved down river to Manhattan, ca. 1634, where Roeloff became
>an employee of the West India Company. He was granted 31 morgans (62 acres)
snip

Thanks,
Howard


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