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From: "Peter R Christoph" <>
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Lutherans in New Amsterdam (was: NA/NY RDC marriage records and practices)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:32:32 -0500
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Howard,
The 1649 date is when some New Netherlanders in Amsterdam on business
approached the Amsterdam Lutheran authorities with a petition from the
Lutherans of Manhattan, Fort Orange, and Long Island. That is the date that
the Albany Lutherans (First Lutheran Church, Albany) use as the earliest
evidence of the existence of their church. The congregation of St. Matthew
Lutheran Church in Manhattan has gone with the 1664 date when the incoming
English government granted the right of public worship to Lutherans. As for
the lack of records earlier than 1704, Pastor Bernardus Arensius undoubtedly
kept records during his two decades in office, but he died in 1691 and no
replacement could be found until 1702 when one of the Swedish pastors came
up from the Delaware -- by which time apparently no earlier records still
existed.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Swain" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: [D-Col] Lutherans in New Amsterdam (was: NA/NY RDC marriage records
and practices)


> Hi all,
>
> From: "Peter R Christoph" <>
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [D-Col] Re: NA/NY RDC marriage records and practices
>
>
> > None of the Lutheran documentary collections in the Netherlands or
Lutheran
> > histories in this country that I have seen suggest any attempt to send a
> > minister to New Netherland prior to Gutwasser in 1657. The synod in
> > Amsterdam was in a shaky legal position and would do nothing to
deliberately
> > provoke the government. Its records are full of pleas from New
Netherland
> > Lutherans for a minister, which were always met with polite refusals
until
> > 1657. West India Company officials on both sides of the Atlantic made
every
> > effort to keep non-Reformed clergy from leaving the Netherlands or
setting
> > foot in the colony.
>
> Many of these pleas and petitions that Peter mentions have been collected
and
> printed in:
> _The Lutheran Church in New York 1649-1772
> Records in the Lutheran Church Archives at Amsterdam, Holland_,
> translated by Arnold J. H. [sic] van Laer;
> New York; The New York Public Library, 1946
>
> I've forgotten what the 1649 date above signifies. The first petition?
> I see in Rosalie Fellows Bailey's article on New York sources
> (NEHGR vol 106-107; viz. 107:175) that the Lutheran Church was
> "organized" in 1664. But the surviving bap. and marr. records do
> not begin till 1704 and were printed in the 1903 Year Book of the
> Holland Society. (There aren't any bap. and marr. in the above
> van Laer book.)
>
> Regards,
> Howard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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