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From: "Perry Streeter" <>
Subject: [D-Col] RE: GRIGGS, John-1 & James; Long Island; 1600s
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:00:49 -0500
In-Reply-To: <NEBBLFOKALMDBKBIOEKGGEPJELAA.perry@streeter.com>


As a follow-up to my previous posting, it would appear that John-1 GRIGGS of
Gravesend, LI actually died in 1685, instead of 1702. Perhaps the 1702
death date refers to his son,
John-2. Apparently there has been much confusion over the years regarding
men of different generations in the GRIGGS family who all bore the name
John.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:20:05 -0700
From: "Bob Johnson" <>
To:
Subject: Re: Early Martha Griggs?

Here here is an abstract from "Genealogical Data from Inventories of New
York Estates 1666-1825 by Scott & Owre, 1970, New York Page65
GRIGGS: JOHN of Gravesend, Kings Co. - Inventory(1685) of moveable estate
as
divided by the widow, Elizabeth Griggs. She took with her a nego girl
valued
at L50 and various articles to the value of L51/7/6. Amounts given to the
other heirs were as follows: L170 to John Girgggs, L60 to Daniel Griggs,
L56
to Benjamin Griggs, L45 to Thomas Griggs, L50 toSamuel Griggs, L25 to
Martha
Strycker. Two cows were received by Samuel Griggs.
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The owner of the web site cited below has confirmed his agreement that John
GRIGGS of Gravesend could not have been the son of George-1 GRIGGS of MA and
has expressed his intention to update his data accordingly.

Nor could John-1 of Gravesend been the son of James-2 (George-1) who went to
Long Island from MA and never returned; John-1 & James-2 were roughly of the
same generation.

Nor is any connection to the following GRIGGS readily apparent:

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:17:41 EST
From: <>
To:
Subject: Will of Robert Griggs, his wife was Helena Fell

Abstracts of Wills Vol III 1730-1744, pages 91 & 92:
Page 460.--In the name of God, Amen. I, ROBERT GRIGGS, of New York,
mariner,
"being now bound on a voyage beyond Seas, and knowing that all People are
mortal." I leave to my wife's daughter, Rachel Montes, Å“50, silver money,
and
a negro girl about 14 years old, and now in Jamaica, West Indies. I leave
to
my wife Lena (Helena) 1/2 of my estate, and the other 1/2 "to the children
that are or may be begotten before my decease." "And my wife shall take
care
to bring up her children in the best way and manner, as it doth become any
mother to do" (children not named). I make my wife executor.

Dated April 26, 1695. Witnesses, Giles Shelley, Richard Potter, Samuel
Burgess, John Barbarie. Proved, February 16, 173 2/3. The widow, Helena
Griggs, whose first husband was John Le Montes, married Caleb Cooper. She
left a daughter, Mary Cooper, who married Archibald Campbell, merchant, and
a
son John Le Montes. The widow Helena Griggs, alias Cooper, alias Le Montes,
died without having proved the will, and Archibald Campbell, and wife Mary,
and John Le Montes, were appointed administrators.
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Any further details regarding John-1 & Elizabeth (-----) GRIGGS, their
children and grandchildren, will be greatly appreciated.

Perry

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From: Perry Streeter [mailto:]
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Subject: GRIGGS, John-1 & James; Long Island; 1600s

In Dr. Aline Garretson's July 2002 NYG&BR article, "The Gerritsen-Willemsen
Family Record, and the Williamson Family of Gravesend," she includes
Footnote 34:

"...Bergen makes Anna WILLEMSE [dau. of Willem-2 WILLEMSEN & Mayke Pieters
WYCKOFF] the first wife of John-2 GRIGGS (John-1), but this is impossible
in terms of dates and it would appear more likely that her husband was
John-3, son of John-2 and Martha (WILKINS) GRIGGS."

Who was John-1 GRIGGS of Gravesend who died circa 1702? Other sources, such
as The Genealogy of the Griggs Family," by Walter S. Griggs, of Norfolk, VA,
published in 1926 by The Biblio Company, Inc." claim that he was the son of
George-1 GRIGGS of New England. The information quoted below was copied,
pasted and edited from:

http://www.familyorigins.com/users/g/r/i/Gary--Griggs/FAMO2-0001/d637.htm#P6
37

{FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, MY OWN COMMENTS APPEAR IN THIS FORMAT WITHIN THE QUOTED
MATERIAL.}

George GRIGGS was born in 1593 in Boxted, Suffolk County, England.

>From an article in 'The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England,
1620-33':

ORIGIN: Lavendon, Buckinghamshire."

{I ASSUME THAT THE NEHGS HAD NO PRIMARY SOURCES TO IDENTIFY GEORGE'S
PARENTS. NEVERTHELESS, SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF HIS ANCESTRY ARE PROVIDED AT
THIS WEB SITE LISTED ABOVE.}

On 9 April 1649, "George Griggs" was one of those who promised to pay 6d. a
year per acre for their land at Long Island, for the use of the school [BTR
1:95].

{IN THE NEXT EXCERPT, GEORGE'S WILL IDENTIFIES NO SON JOHN BUT DOES INDICATE
THAT A SON *JAMES* GRIGGS WAS TO HAVE LAND ON LONG ISLAND.}

In his will, dated 4 July 1655 and proved 3 August 1660, "George Griggs of
Boston" named "my loving wife Alice Griggs" sole executrix and bequeathed to
her "my house & ground about it with all the appurtenances & the two acres
of land at Long Island ..., also my household stuff," during her lifetime;
at her death, "my son James Griggs" to receive house and land around it and
land at Long Island

The inventory of the estate of "George Griggs," taken 7 July 1660, totalled
132lb. 11s. 4d. (against which were debts of 14lb. 3s. 2d.), of which 92lb.
was real estate: "two acres of land at Long Island," ...

{FROM THE FOLLOWING EXCERPTS, IT IS IMPLIED THAT JAMES GRIGGS WENT TO LONG
ISLAND BUT NEVER RETURNED.}

In her will, dated 20 July 1662 and proved 1 May 1663, "Allice Greegss of "
bequeathed, "in case my son James Greegss come not..

On 5 September 1665, administration was granted to "the estate of James
Grigges to Robert Lattimore, in right of Anne his wife ... & also to Roger
Burges, in right of the children of Sarah his late wife," there being "no
certain information of the said James Grigges though he hath been absent for
many years & most probable that he is dead, not being heard of for several
years" [SPR 4:240]. On 6 September 1665, the house lot in Boston was divided
between the two administrators, while the two acres at Long Island was to
remain undivided and be held jointly [SPR 4:241].

vi JAMES GRIGGS, bp. , 16 December 1632 [TAG 64:196]; named in father's will
on 4 July 1655, but soon left New England and not heard of again.

{NO SON JOHN IS IDENTIFIED IN GEORGE'S WILL OR THE NEHGS PUBLICATION BUT,
NEVERTHELESS, JOHN GRIGGS SR. OF GRAVESEND, LONG ISLAND IS PRESENTED ON THE
NEXT PAGE AS GEORGE'S SON:}

41. John S. GRIGGS Sr. was born in 1634 in England. He died about 1702 in
Gravesend, Long Island County, NY.

{WHAT BECAME OF JAMES GRIGGS ON LONG ISLAND? IS HE ACTUALLY THE FOUNDER OF
THE GRAVESEND FAMILY? WAS BERGEN'S JOHN-1 GRIGGS ACTUALLY THE SON (OR OTHER
RELATIVE) OF JAMES, OR WAS THE JOHN GRIGGS WHO DIED AT GRAVESEND CIRCA 1702
TRULY AN ENGLISH IMMIGRANT?}

Thanks for your help,

Perry Streeter (mailto:)
http://www.perry.streeter.com

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