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From: Jerry Vandiver <>
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Pieter Casperszen
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:29:21 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <c.e8e7118.2bc98a36@aol.com>


I'll answer 3 e-mails with this one:

Peter:

"It would help greatly to know what date and what
place. I think there was a person of this name in the
Mabie family (Mebille, Maybe, etc.) in New Amsterdam,
but I don't know if that is the right time and place."

Yes, I know. I am sorry about being so nebulous, but
I have found that doing so does two things, it gets
certain members of the list who enjoy demonstrating
their superior knowledge to respond faster and it
brings those most sincere about helping or most
interested in the topic to the surface faster. You
have always been one of the sincere, thanks for
responding. I gather it was the ancestor of the Mabie
family, not one I research, I just happened across the
record while looking for Hendrick Janszenses and Van
der Veer's and recognized the name.

Robert,

"Didn't spot a marriage record, but suspect he married
widow of Abraham Willemszen."

What I found was an interesting marriage record, which
I will give in part three. The reason I remembered
the name Casperszen was my attempt to determine
relationships between the many Jans' in pursuit of
Catharina Jans' possible relatives/identity (as in the
wife of Jacop Van der Veer). Two things struck me
about the record I found, the "Piter Caspers" in the
record was a soldier (a great many of those in early
New Amsterdam were soldiers or former soldiers) and
the patronymic Willems/zen (see below).

Steve,

Sorry for making you wait. This is the record I found
while roving the web for a miracle on my own families
to surface (there was a Hendrick Janszen Bremen in the
records - sadly not the right one):

"Index op huwelijken in Dokkum 1605-1660, G. Helder/
FAF"

25 11 1637 Piter Caspers Lijsbet Willems van der
Veer hij korporaal, zij wed. v. Dirck Melgers

The name alone would not have meant much, but the
spouse name of Lisbet "Willems" was exceedingly
interesting. Could this possibly be the same Pieter
Casperszen in New Amsterdam 10 years later? IS Lisbet
Willems a relative of Abraham Willemszen? Is this
where the apparent connection between Pieter and
Abraham originate?

I am not even concerned with the whole "van der Veer"
thing, there are a multitude of people listed that way
in records who were not even from the Netherlands. A
"ferry" was not a difficult thing to be from in those
days. I just found the whole thing very suspicious
and it is the lucky soul that can find their ancestors
prior to arriving in the colonies (since many were not
known by the same names once here).

So, anyone find this equally interesting or is there a
multitude of evidence that I should have known about
to keep me from taking note of this?

Jerry

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